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#1010 of 1064 Re: Jaguar S type [kenberg]
Jul 12, 2009 (4:45 pm)
I made the very unfortunate choice to purchase 2 Jaguars in a row for my wife who drives about 6,500 miles per year - so very light duty. Both Jaguars, first a Soverign and the 2nd a S-Type were the worst cars I have ever owned mechanically and cost of ownership wise!!! I restore GM 60's clasic muscle cars for a hobby and service all my vehicles very, very well. Both motors failed due to cooling problems (1st faulty head gasket in the inline 6 and complete motor meltdown in the S when the plastic - milk carton like burp tank sprung a leak and overheated the aluminum block = quoted $18,000 to repair by Jaguar) both at less than 50,000 miles and Jaguar would only refer me to their local dealers who have the highest repair rates I have ever been subjeted to = $80/gal of replacement antifreeze!! Do not buy any of this Jag crap unless you love to throw your money away. Do not count on any Jag warrenty saving you, they have more ways of weasiling out of what should be normal warenty responsibility than any auto manufacturer I have been a customer of having owned over 100 GM, Ford, Chrysler, Mercedies autos during my driving life.
I strongly recommend you look to BMW, Mercedies, Porche, Lexus, etc. before ever wasting your money and your customer patience on Jag junk!!!! Proceed with Jaguar at your own risk - you have been fairly informed.
Some numbers, Jag/Ford sold 80K S-Types with the Linclon 4.0 V8 motor in the early 2000s at an average price of $60,000. The motors all melted down due to the worst cooling system design I have ever seen in any auto, let alone a "luxury" car!! 80,000 x $60,000 is a very big number and an unconscionable fraud of US consumers! I read story after story of people who paid $60,000 new or $40/30,000 used and by 50K or 60K miles their Jag was only worth scrap. I sold ours at an wrecked car insurance auction for $6,500 and was tickled pink to get any money back at all.
Jul 21, 2009 (11:40 am)
I have 2006 Jaguar S type that has a "PARKING BRAKE FAULT" light on the console. Anyway for some reason I can get the the parking brake off and the car will not move. I tried to release it manually but that was unsuccessful. Can someone out there please give me a suggestion on what to do. I was thinking about disconnecting the battery then re-connecting it to see if that might re-set something.
#1012 of 1064 8 cylinder Jaguar engine problems
Jul 21, 2009 (12:45 pm)
I just want to put the word out to people that have an 8 cylinder Jaguar motor. The motor was designed with plastic secondary tensioners. Prevent huge engine repair costs by having these replaced with the new metal tensioners. My secondary tensioner recently exploded causing my timing chain to snap. If I would have known sooner I could of had them replaced at a fraction of the cost. I love my Jaguar and preventative maintence is so important!
#1013 of 1064 Purchasing a used X or S type, 6cyl
Jul 24, 2009 (8:03 pm)
I'm looking at used 2000-2005 used jags, but would like advice from owners. What bothers me is most of these cars have no service book and I think that's very important to know if routine maintenance was kept up.
I won't be in a position to purchase until about a year from now and have plenty of time to do research. I've read a few pages here and keep coming across vibration concerns and cost of a specific motor oil that is expensive. Seems there are owners who love the cars and have had little to no issues, then others that swear the cars are a nightmare to maintain.
Before buying *any* used car I always have it inspected, and the cars I have found are supposedly "certified", but again...few to no maintenance books.
Can a Ford dealer do an inspection or would I need to take it to a Jaguar dealer/mechanic..?
I have lots of questiond but will start with this for now.
Thanks in advance,
#1014 of 1064 Re: Purchasing a used X or S type, 6cyl [penny1962]
Jul 25, 2009 (6:36 am)
Penny, I have a 2002 S-Type, 8 cylinder. I bought it new and during the 4 "free" maintenence years, I had it in the shop about 6 times, 4 for the same problem...a leaky rear-end. They finally replaced the entire rear-end unit, and I have not had further problems. Immediately after expiration of the 4 year warranty, I had to have a window motor replaced ($400) , and then about a year later, had to have all 8 ignition coils replaced ($1200), although only one was failing. Then about 6 months later, the transmission went out and had to be replaced at a cost of $5000. I've not had any further serious problems (knock on wood) for the past couple of years. It now has 106,000 miles on it, and rides/drives just like it did when it was new. I think the quality of the drive train should have been better with a $50,000 price tag, but overall, it is the nicest car I have owned. Am I going to buy another one? Probably not. I'm not comfortable with the future of Jaguar since Ford sold out it to Tata.
My advice on shopping for a used one.....search for one with low mileage. They are around, because many of the owners trade or lease every couple of years. I would definitely have it checked out by a trusted mechanic. If you don't have one, then I would take it to a Jaguar dealer, not Ford. The mechanics at a Jaguar dealer are much more likely to be trained for them properly.
On the oil question....during the first 4 years, they used synthetic oil and changed it every 12 months or 10,000 miles. Then I was told synthetic oil is of no advantage except in very high performance engines....Ferrari, etc.. So for the past 3-4 years I have used regular oil and change it every 3 months or 3000 miles. (About $80 at a Jaguar dealer, and about $30 anyplace else.)
In my opinion, there are two things needed to make a "good" car last longest....keep it clean and waxed, and keep the oil changed regularly.
Hope this helps. Ron
P.S.....if you want a good deal on a 2002 S-Type 4.0 with a new transmission and 106,000 miles, I have one!! (-:
#1015 of 1064 2003 S-Type R Headlights
Jul 25, 2009 (11:48 am)
We really need help - our cat has only one eye - the Bi Xenon Headlights have winked out on the passenger side. Out, then on then out for good. The Jag dealer assessed the lights, sold us the wrong bulb and our mechanic sent us back to the dealer again who now says that we have to pay about $400. for that bulb plus labour at about $l20.00 per hour in order to get that light working. I don't think brain surgeons make that kind of money or even pay that kind of money for their operating room lights. Someone says that BMW's are even more. Somethings wrong with this picture so we're really hoping that someone out there can help us with some correct information as to how to approach this problem and get our cat seeing straight again. Thanks.
#1016 of 1064 Re: Purchasing a used X or S type, 6cyl [penny1962]
Jul 25, 2009 (8:23 pm)
I'm on my third Jaguar. Previously owned an 03 X-Type and an 06 X-Type. The first of the year I traded my 06 X for a certified 06 S-Type VDP that my local Jag dealer acquired. First of all - Jag's certified cars give you a 6 year - 100K warranty from original in-service date, and, offers excellent protection. The X-Types are all-wheel -drive, and, the drivetrain can be annoying noisy, and, some have had vibration issues - requiring propshaft replacements, etc. to cure the problem. The S-Types are much quieter, and, more luxurious than the X, but, you give up the excellent foul weather capabilities that the all-wheel- drive gives you. However, the S-Type, with its 6 speed automatic, gets better fuel economy than the X does. On the question of motor oil - there is no special motor oil required - both models use regular 5W-30 oil. You can use synthetic if you want, but its more expensive. My advice to you: Decide which model Jag you want. Get the latest model with the lowest mileage you can afford, and, get a Certified one from a Jag dealer. This means they've inspected the car, corrected any deficiencies, and warrant the vehicle as noted above. Before I bought my CPO S-Type, I was allowed an overnight test drive, and, I did my own inspection as well. I found a couple of problems that they missed, and, made them correct them before I purchased the car. In addition, Jag will only certify cars that have had all the required maintenance done, have a clean carfax, and, have some of the original factory warranty still in effect (Must have under 50K miles). The dealer is required to give you a copy of the Carfax report on the vehicle before purchase as well. Buying a certified one from a non-Jag dealer is a crap-shoot - a lot of these non-factory backed certification programs are a joke. In addition, at the time I bought mine, Jaguar was offering very attractive finance rates on the CPO cars as well. I believe they're still available.
#1017 of 1064 Re: 2003 S-Type R Headlights [gr8cat]
Jul 25, 2009 (8:31 pm)
I suggest you research your problem on a couple of the regular Jaguar forums. Usually the folks that post on these can offer excellent guidance on how to deal with a problem such as yours.
Aug 04, 2009 (3:36 pm)
Thanks for tips. Like most, I see the S type as exactly what I've always wanted since first driving the old 3.8s. Problem is, the costly parts under the paint are not something I want to have to worry about. As a parking lot fender smasher in the 1950s I often took customer cars to the Jag shop for them. They loved their cars but were vexed by constant need for attention. Seems that not much has changed.
Aug 15, 2009 (1:17 pm)
I got 2000 S type V6 29.5 K miles, very low, I have warning light " Left tail lamp out"
I check Fuses in fron and back and nothing.