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#930 of 4400 Lovin My New Bonneville
Mar 24, 2001 (6:37 pm)
Picked up my 2001 SSEi Wednesday night (in the rain) and I am loving the ride (graduated from a 94 Accord). The increased power is definitely going to my head!
It is dark bronzemist with the taupe interior.
I learned a valuable lesson though: NEVER pick up your new car at night. No matter what the lighting conditions are, you won't be able to properly check the vehicle out. While I got a great deal from the dealer, the interior was not as clean as it could be. I have a small spot of grease (maybe) just below the speaker in the passenger side door. Not sure how to clean it - I cannot tell if the inside door panels are leather or not (probably not). I don't want to guess wrong and make the spot worse than it already is.
I haven't tried to use the cup holders yet (no food or drink allowed in the *new* car - how long will it be before that rule wears off?)
Two very minor things I would change: between the steering wheel and my hand placement, I cannot see either of the odometers without craning my neck. And, as mentioned by someone else, I would like to use the DIC with the parking brake engaged.
But so far I am in heaven. Now I just have to find a baseball cap with the Pontiac emblem on it...
-Bruce in NJ (not the Boss)
#931 of 4400 I'm Still Around (long post)
Mar 24, 2001 (6:48 pm)
Please add me to the Bonneville database:
2000 SSEi Dark Bronzemist Metallic
I didn't realize so many folks liked hearing about my horsepower struggles. Here's an update, with only eight days left until National Trails Raceway opens:
I've bolted many aftermarket parts on the engine, but haven't yet been able to hit the perfect tuning combination. Although I did get a lot closer today.
My procedure has been basically trial and error. I make a small change, reset the PCM, and log two 0-100 mph runs in opposite directions on the same stretch of road. (My neighbors love me). Using the Autotap, I have been logging current time, vehicle speed, engine RPM, ignition timing, knock retard, fuel trims, MAF sensor frequency and flow rate, and front oxygen sensor voltage. I've checked many other parameters, but these seem to be the ones holding the keys to performance...
I've been doing lots of experimentation with spark plugs - trying different types - platinum, copper, iridium, etc., and different gaps. Today I learned that my car runs best with NGK TR55IX Iridium spark plugs set at the factory gap of .060".
I've done a lot of experimenting with different fuels - the higher the octane, the better the car performs. I settled on 108 octane VP racing fuel ($7.00 per gallon).
I've done a lot of experimenting with fuel pressures. At idle, and all the way up to around 3/4 throttle, the car seems to run best with the factory fuel pressure of 46 psi. I know they say the GTP's are set to 52 psi stock, but my SSEi was 46 psi. Anyways, at full boost (now 13 psi), I seem to need around 70 psi of fuel pressure for best performance. I see two solutions here. First, I can run the Casper's adjustable fuel pressure regulator at 57 psi, and this increases to 70 psi automatically under full boost. The problem with this choice is that the car smells like a '71 Catalina and runs WAY too rich all day long. The other choice is to use my brand new Vortech SFMU, which I am still trying to figure out how to adapt to the SSEi. It should allow me to run the factory setting of 46 psi static fuel pressure, and set the boost gain to 2:1. At 13 pounds of boost, I should have an additional 26 pounds of fuel pressure, or 72 psi - which I think will be just right. That would give me the best of both worlds - retain full driveability and mileage, and still melt the tires on command.
I can't seem to get enough ignition timing to make the car really perform the way I want it to. Under full boost, I only had 2 or 3 degrees of total timing advance a couple weeks ago. Racing fuel got me up around the 6 degree mark. Fuel pressure experimentation got me as high as 10 or 11 degrees, but I was actually running too rich and losing more power than I was gaining.
My next step is to back up one pulley size, and see if my ignition timing will increase enough to increase my horsepower more than the reduced boost will sacrifice power. The problem is that I broke my pulley puller/installation tool earlier tonight. So, right now I'm stuck with no pulley at all on the car. It is actually slower than a Chrysler 300M.
I have been measuring my performance using the Autotap, and using current time versus vehicle speed to determine actual performance. My best run today was 0 to 90 mph in 12.0 seconds. I think stock was around 15.9 seconds, so I was impressed.
p.s. - I think I am the only Bonneville owner who hasn't complained about the cupholders yet. For the record, I also think they suck.
Mar 24, 2001 (7:03 pm)
Yeah, they aren't great. I like them better than the ones on my Regal. At least these can hold my cell phone. Oh well...back to the drawing board!
Congrats on your new Bonnie! Bronzemist was my favorite color, but I didn't like the taupe interior, so I settled on Galaxy Silver. As far as the cap goes, the Pontiac site probably has one. I got an insulated thermos and a keychain from them.
#933 of 4400 Great posts everyone
Mar 24, 2001 (8:40 pm)
Thanks all, for providing the specs on your cars.
Hey there Cuzin Brucey - it's a great family here! Congrats on that gorgeous SSEi - I love that color combo. Best wishes to you for many years and miles of satisfying driving in your new Bonneville.
Intense01 - glad to see those modification reports again - got to get myself a car mechanics primer and try to figure out what you're talking about! But $7 per gallon for fuel? Out of my league for sure.
Smfran - going to have to start building yourself a carriage house for all those cars you want - you surely wouldn't want any to get wet or dusty between times out!
Have a Bonnie weekend everyone
#934 of 4400 Been 2 busy to post
Mar 25, 2001 (4:36 am)
Certainly unlike me. Ken: add my 2000 SLE to your list (dark bronzemist exterior, "neutral" Prado leather interior).
Okay, question for everyone: what the heck is a Prado? And why should we care?
Glad to see you back Intense - I think you remind us all that, at the core of this large luxury family sedan beats the heart of a performance car.
see you all soon!
#935 of 4400 Grease on Leather & Plastic
Mar 25, 2001 (6:28 am)
A product called "Scrub Free Soap Scum Remover". It is a bathroom cleaner, comes in lemon scent, and is made by Benckiser. Spray some on a rag and wipe it on, does not take much rubbing. I happened across it when I found a small black grease spot on my Aurora when it from the body shop. It does wonders, just follow it up with a damp rag and whatever you would normally use to protect the surface.
#936 of 4400 Number of SSEis
Mar 25, 2001 (6:29 am)
A few days ago, iceman wrote that there were 60,000 Bonnevilles sold in model year 2000. Any idea of the breakout between SEs,SLEs, and SSEis?
#937 of 4400 Various Points
Mar 25, 2001 (7:19 am)
tpken: For the record, my stats are 2000 SSEi - Midnight Blue - Chrome wheels - Heated seats.
cuzinbrucey: If you think you can not remove the grease easily, do not touch it. Make a list of anything that you notice over the next two weeks and make an appointment with the dealer to take care of it. You paid good money for delivery of a new car. It is not necessary for you to clean it.
Don't be concerned yet over the placement of the wheel and your view. Over the next 1,000 miles or so you will be making various adjustments to your driving position until you reach a final comfortable situation. Things will change.
intense: With all your modifications, are you still using the car for standard commuting?
iceman: Prado must be Connolly's cousin.
Has anyone found the personalization of the side view mirrors useful in terms of them shifting position when in reverse? I shut that option off as I don't use my mirrors when parallel parking.
Well got to go now. It's time to break ground on the new carriage house!
#938 of 4400 Parallel Parking Mirrors
Mar 25, 2001 (7:50 am)
They're useful to me when I back out of a tight space next to a concrete median. Helps reduce tire-scuffing! It actually works quite well if you do use your mirrors to parallel park. I do, but I don't parallel park that often. I still leave the feature on though.
Mar 25, 2001 (8:31 am)
Pontiac keeps quoting sales figures breakdowns of 65% for SE's and the balance roughly equally split between SLE's and SSEi's. If that's how the 60,000 sales went in 2000, then we're looking at:
SE - 39,000
SLE - 10,500
SSEi - 10,500
Given that Canada usually accounts for 10% of those figures and other exports account for another 5%, you can probably count on less than 10,000 of each of the SLE and SSEi sold in the States.
Personally, I have only seen one other SLE (besides mine, that is) and, if this forum is any indication, then perhaps SSEi's actually outnumber SLE's.
No word on how sales are going in 2001.