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Pontiac Bonneville, Sedan
Feb 10, 2005 (8:56 am)
Valid points taken all around!!
I'm just going to make a few comments here as to why I feel that the demise of the Bonneville is totally the fault of GM .
1. As you said and I agree- GM OVERPRICED the Bonneville and they also did not keep up with the competition over the past 5/6 years.
Other car manufacturers were building more powerful engines etc and GM stood pat with its 205 and 240 HP engines.(Great engines but not exactly state of the art.)
2. Minivan and SUV explosion- families are buying these instead of full size cars.
3. *This is the most important reason to me *
GM and Pontiac Division NEVER PROMOTED THE BONNEVILLE with any extensive Marketing/Sales pitch- TV Commercials etc.
When was the last time anyone can remember seeing an actual BONNEVILLE TV COMMERCIAL?
The last one I can remember is back around 2000
with the "STOP ALL BLACK BONNEVILLE'S" in it- DUMB!!!!!!
When I went to test drive my 2000SE in March of 2000- the Pontiac Dealership did not have even ONE
Bonneville on their lot- they had to do a internet search between dealers to get the car.
I mean your talking about a NEW REDESIGNED Car in 2000 and they (GM) did nothing to promo the car!!!
They also have done almost nothing in promoting the new GXP when it came out last year- I mean here you finally have a Northstar V-8 engine put in the car and you market it ZIPPO!!!!!
It is a shame that this is going to happen but you know what- GM couldn't care less-
However,I would like to thank GM for one thing
ALL OF US BONNEVILLE OWNERS NOW HAVE A COLLECTORS ITEM -THANKS GM!
#4234 of 4400 A Collector's Item
Feb 10, 2005 (11:53 am)
I can't place all the blame on GM for the Bonneville's demise. Sure there are a lot of things one can point to, including their inability to keep up with the competition. I think the lack of marketing is overrated. If the car was really special it would practically sell itself. But in the end the market conditions no longer seem to be there to support the Bonneville, and market conditions for automobiles seem to transcend any single manufacturer. GM does care -- about their bottom line (hey who doesn't?).
Having said that, and considering the popularity of the 300C (which I agree would be a serious contender if I were to replace my SSEi), I think if GM comes up with a V8-powered RWD performance sedan in the high $20s to mid $30s, that would suffice as a "Bonneville replacement" in my mind.
I think my 2000 SSEi would be of more value as a "collectable" if it were parked next to a '58 Bonneville.
P.S. I wonder if anyone with a 6000 or Ventura considers their cars as collector's items? Just kidding!
Oh and one more thing -- The Detroit Free Press reports that GM claims to have enough demand for the Lucerne and new DTS to make up for the loss of Bonneville production at Detroit-Hamtramck. So there.
Feb 10, 2005 (1:36 pm)
GM did bump the 240hp 3800 up to 260hp for 2004 in the GTP. It it still the most powerfull midsized front drive famliy sedan in class with 280 torque. It's 260hp is only second to Maxima's 265. Competition wise it's right there..
Wards named 3800 V6 S/C 240hp engine to it's TOP 10 engine list of PAST 100 yrs.. not bad for an old pushrod engine, LOL!
That 5.3L Votech V8 GP should be interesting too.. depending on the price...
It would be nice if they can put the Caddy 3.6Liter DOHC engine in there with 250+ hp, Buick is putting it in their Lacross as an option which is the SAME W body as the GP. Why not?
I believe the rarest collector Bonny is the 1957 Bonneville Convertible with mechanical Fuel Injection, very rare and expensive collector car !!
I PERSONALLY own a 1958 Chevy in very good condition.
Feb 10, 2005 (1:59 pm)
> I PERSONALLY own a 1958 Chevy in very good condition.
Tell me about your 58 Chevy!!!
#4237 of 4400 Re: A Collector's Item [mlm4]
Feb 10, 2005 (3:32 pm)
That was said " Tongue - in- Cheek "
Whats one person's treasure is another persons junk! (LOL)
Seriously, I'd love to be able to get a pristine 65 Bonneville- that year is my favorite-
Keep watching Ebay etc. Maybe someday it'll happen
Feb 11, 2005 (5:57 am)
It's a 4 door 1958 Chevy Bel Air police car. 230hp 283 CID 4bbl carb, dual exhaust glass pack V8 with 3spd manual shift on the column. Manual brakes & Steering. Boy is it a bear to steer that car at low speeds. It has prett good acceleration even by today's standards. The 4 drums could be better, it stops ok. The car was featured at the beginning of the movie "Riding in Cars with Boys with Drew Barrymore.
My Mother in law has a 2 door 1958 Chevy Impala Convertible with the 280hp 348 V8, dual exhaust and 2 spd automatic, power steering. Nice car.
Feb 12, 2005 (4:30 pm)
Speaking of sales volumes, where can one find monthly sales by model? I can readily find sales by make (GM, Ford, etc. and even brand such as Buick, Pontiac, etc.) but can not seem to find info by model type, such as GP, Bonnevile, G6, etc. Anyone have a link to that info?
#4240 of 4400 Used Bonnevilles
Feb 15, 2005 (9:19 am)
I bought my 2000 SE as a 6 month old former rental unit with 18K miles in Jan 2001 for just under $16K. Now 4 yrs and 100K later I have been mostly happy with the car save for tire vibrations that have finally been cured with new Michelins. The car has served my carpool and family well and will be passed on to my kids who are now learning to drive. The huge depreciation hit on Bonnevilles makes them one of the best used car values - in fact the identical 2004 SE models to what I have are on my dealer's lot for $14K now - an even better deal than I got.
I'm glad to have had the opportunity to own this car which I had admired as a kid. Like Chuck - I still love those 65-66 mammoth Bonnevilles! It's a shame that Bonneville is going away but I'm very glad to have had one before their demise.
My new ride - a blue 2005 Mustang V6 Premium has been on order since October and is finally scheduled for build next week. That and our old Suburban for winter driving will take me through the next few years.
Feb 15, 2005 (9:25 am)
For GM, they usually release sales data the first couple days of the month. They have charts broken down by model. Check out thier media site for each month's press release.
#4242 of 4400 Re: Used Bonnevilles [tpken]
Feb 15, 2005 (10:14 am)
Good to hear from you again- seems like only yesterday when we had that LITTLE meet at the Rockaway Mall in NJ.with our NEW 2000's.
Who knows- maybe Gm and Pontiac will still come out with a 2007 - 50th Anniv. Edition.
Good luck and all the best on your new STANG when she comes in.