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#917 of 7386 2003 RL changes
Sep 19, 2002 (5:45 am)
Here is the scoop from Honda corporate:
"For 2003, Acura's flagship sedan receives subtle refinements that enhance its already distinctive styling. A new interior color, Slate Gray, is available as are three new wood trims: Auburn Camphor, Golden Camphor and Black Camphor. The 3.5 RL also receives three new exterior colors: Carbon Gray Pearl, Polar Blue Metallic and Champagne Mist Pearl. In the rear, a new taillight lens design features a clear turn signal portion. The alloy wheels also receive a new design. The 2003 RL is equipped with the Lower Anchor and Tethers for Children (LATCH) child seat restraint system."
There is also mention of dual 8-way power front seats. I think the current is 8-way driver, 4-way passenger.
#918 of 7386 8 way passenger seats
Sep 19, 2002 (7:31 am)
There is mention of dual 8-way power seats, but the technical specs still say its a 4-way power passenger seat. I'm likely to believe the latter.
Sep 19, 2002 (9:56 am)
Plus 1 wheels, extra tires, clear taillight lenses, "Golden Camphor"..... I'll just take mine with fuzzy dice, please.
Sep 19, 2002 (9:56 am)
First time poster, but a grateful reader of recent months.
I live in Switzerland and am about to buy my first Legend...or RL. I've got two cars under consideration, one a 1995, the other 1996. I'd be grateful for some advice or comments from this group about my best purchase. Here's the details....sorry to say I can't give a trim designation for either vehicle at the moment because they are both sight unseen and known here as Honda, as opposed to Acura Legends:
1995 (Sept) Honda Legend 3.2i
No CD, original timing belt and water pump
1996 (Aug) Honda Legend 3.5i
CD, new timing belt and water pump
Both cars are the sedan models (wife and 2 kids, you know), and according to the sellers are in mint shape with no electronic problems etc.
Obviously the key choice is between what in the States is called the RL and the last year of the Legend. From what I can make out the '96 has more torque, particularly at lower revs, and benefitted from a number of noise reduction measures. I know detractors argue against the RL series by virtue of it being less sporty than the Legend line, but to be honest I am not as much interested in hard cornering and flat out speed as I am in comfortable cruising on vacations and all round mechanical reliablility.
A major question for me is whether the '96 RL models had teething problems and whether is it a year to be avoided.
Basically I'd be very grateful if some of you hear could comment on which of these two cars you would opt for and why?
Thanks for any help I can get on this,
Sep 19, 2002 (10:54 am)
I can't really speak to your question, but you didn't mention being aware that you'll probably want to upgrade to a CD? And in another few miles you'll need to do the maintenance, the belt especially & maybe the water pump. All told, you could have nearly another $1000 tied up in the '95. I dont' see the mileage in either one as a big issue unless the cars aren't as "mint" as the sellers proclaim.
#923 of 7386 daveingva
Sep 20, 2002 (8:48 am)
We used to have a '91 Legend (first generation of the newer body style) and the car was fantastic. With the exception of couple minor problems, the car ran great. I sold it a year ago (to my cousin) with 125K miles and the car still drives almost like new. The '96 RL my wife currently drives is definitely more luxurious, but both cars are great cruisers. The Legend did have an edge in terms of reliability - the RL has had few more problems. As far as the timing belt/water pump go - should be replaced on both cars at 90K.
Oh yeah, almost forgot - I will always take a "manual" transmission over "auto", so in this case my vote goes to the Legend.
#924 of 7386 Shopping @ End of Model Yr.
Sep 22, 2002 (5:45 pm)
I have been looking at both new and used '02 RLs at both Acura and other dealerships. With the current factory-to-dealer cash back incentive of $4000, the new RLs (w/o Navi) are selling for about $35K. I have looked at a couple of used '02s for which the dealers are asking more than a new car costs. When you explain the reality of the end-of-the-year incentives, like, why should I pay $38K for your used Acura when I can buy a new one for $35K, they look at you like you're from another planet. (The Acura dlrs. know the situation, but they play dumb, too.) How do you deal with these guys? Surely, the pricing of the used cars must "float" along with the prices of the new ones. Or am I missing something here?
Another pet peeve of mine is the "now you see it, now you don't" lease deals. One week, the lease pmt. is $427/mo. Wait a week and "the plan has changed." Now the monthly pmt. is $503! What's up with that?! It's like shooting at a moving target, and performing due diligence and making an informed decision cannot be prolonged much. Just venting my frustration, and don't expect much help here.
Also, can anyone confirm that the '03 RLs will have a VTEC engine? Other changes supposedly are minor.
#925 of 7386 Shopping @ End Year
Sep 23, 2002 (7:54 am)
kps0311, I share the same amazement at how dealers treat public like idiots. Few days ago I walked in. I only asked them when '03 are coming. And one dealer told me that although '02 price is $43K, he can give me one for $38K. Then we hurried to other clients, while another approached me asked for my phone, and told me that as soon as the announcment about '03 will come from Acura, we can give me a special deal on 02 "left over inventory" as he put it. I asked, hasn't 02 were on "left over" status for few months already? he said, no, it can not be considered left-over even single day before official announcement about '03 comes from the company. So, he promised that sometimes in November he would give me a call about '02. While, I know they have one or two left in stock as we speak.
Maybe this is just their way fo getting back at public for becoming too informed and smart-assey. Actually, I don't know how to behave when I walk-in into dealership, whether let them know right away, that I know what's the deal, or play dumb and see how they'd treat you. But they invariably treat people like dummies.
Few weeks ago, I CarsDirect found RL for me for $34,800. I passed only because it was not my color choice, and I wanted to bide my time for '03. But when time comes, I'll go thru CarsDirect, no way I can bring myself to deal wtih dealers directly.
You either have to let them fool you, or you have to be clear that they lie to you, and you know it. I am not comfortable with either proposition.
By the way, does anyone know when is the earliest incentives might kick in for '03? Do they have them in Feb/March season?
#926 of 7386 Sorry you don't expect much help
Sep 23, 2002 (8:59 am)
I really wouldn't try to negotiate. Occasionally, and very rarely, you'll find a salesman who not only knows what his product is about but treats you like a person. They will be self-evident if you meet one. Most of them aren't worth the conversation and definitely aren't worth the frustration. I agree with goldkey that a lot of the newer games are played because most new buyers enter the store with a lot of information.
Try this: Do your homework on current rates, rebates, etc., and enter the dealership with a price in mind: your offer (low), your target (mid), and your max. When they give you a ridiculous song and dance, say "I'm ready to buy today -- here is my card (scribble the offer price on the back). It looks like you need to think about whether you want to sell this car or not. Get back to me if you decide you can sell for my price, unless I buy before I hear from you." And then, walk out.
Most of the time you won't make it out the driveway without the sales manager coming out. If you've done your homework, don't budge. The worst they can say is 'no.' and then you can always come back and meet their lowest price.
No need for hassle. They're sellling. Let them use your offer, not MSRP. The price is never marked down -- it's marked up from their true invoice.
Hope it works out. Good luck.