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Acura RL, Sedan
#78 of 7386 Current Prices
Nov 11, 2000 (12:46 am)
The $3,000 rebate is real. I am currently negotiating with two dealers for an RL. The latest bids are $35,253 for an RL w/o Nav and $36,999 with Nav. Both bids include mats.
I currently own a 1995 Acura Legend Coupe with a six speed manual transmission. I intend to keep this car forever. Everyone who has been complaining about Acura not providing an 8 cylinder engine is missing the real point: Acura engines demand the freedom from a stick shift. Since 1986, I have owned three Honda Preludes prior to my Legend, all sticks. Every engine has a magnificent ability to climb RPMs in any gear without fatigue. When I am pushing the legend, I have to be careful or I will redline in first and second gears (6600 RPm).
You can imagine my disappointment when the new versions of the Acura lineup debuted in 1996. The suspensions were soft, engines weak and the only stick model was a rollover prone CL. Not what you expected from a company that won the manufacturer's championship in 6 years out of 10 in Formula 1 racing.
Thus, my hope is that Acura will return to offering sticks in their premier models so that enthusiasts like myself can drive the engines as they were meant to be driven.
#79 of 7386 clarification
Nov 11, 2000 (3:25 pm)
I forgot the obvious: soft suspensions contribute to the perception of weak engines. What i like most about the discussion regarding 6 cyls vs 8 cyls and horsepower is the absolute disregard for every other element that contributes to performance or the lack thereof: overall weight, weight distribution, transmission gear ratios, quickness of torque delivery, suspension tuning, tire size and type, etc. Honda learned in Formula 1 racing that the biggest engine is not necessarily a winner: it is the ability to survive the race. Success depends upon reliability, fuel management and the ability to get power to the wheels quickly. Honda's success resulted in honda placing third or fourth in the history of F1 races in terms of victories. honda was ahead of MB, BMW, Porsche, Ferrari and many others with "racing" heritage. Honda did it during 10 years of racing from 1983 to 1992. The company won the manufacturer's world championships 6 years in a row and stopped winning because it withdrew from F1 racing. It is now dominating CART/Indy car racing (4 championships in 7 years of racing.)
When you read the brochures on honda automobiles about racing innovations in their automobiles, keep in mind that the racing innovations are winning innovations.
No, i do not sell Hondas for a living.
#80 of 7386 sharkwalk...
Nov 12, 2000 (1:59 am)
i agree with what you said, but i disagree with what honda is thinking...yes, bigger is not always better, but to sell cars, most people think it is.
anyone know if the new rl (pretty sure rwd/awd, v8) is competing with the larger crowd (ls, s-series, 7 series) or the one down from that (e-class, gs series, etc.)?
#81 of 7386 3.5 RL dash rattles
Nov 12, 2000 (10:50 pm)
For (Phil4vers4). Bravo, Glad you were able to locate the problem and get it repaired.
For the folks with 3.5RL problems. Take these cars back to your dealers, push them to make them right. These vehicles are cars after all and problems seem to be endemic, but my experience has been that Acura dealers are pretty good in trying to make things right. I have driven nothing but Hondas and Acuras since 1979 and have had tremendous performance. My wife drives a 1989 Toyota wagon LE, which she loves and doesn't want to give up. We have had good service from Toyota people, but it doesn't match Acura. Best of luck.
Nov 13, 2000 (2:50 am)
I JUST CLOSED THE DEAL FOR A NEW 2000 BLACK/BLACK RL WITH NAV: $36,700. THE PRICE INCLUDES FLOOR MATS, WHEEL LOCKS AND MUD FLAPS.
#83 of 7386 sharkwalk
Nov 13, 2000 (6:29 am)
Congrats - you really hit a good deal. this is a GREAT price!! Now, enjoy the car..... Keep us posted on what your driving impressions are.
Nov 13, 2000 (2:39 pm)
And I thought I got a good deal last December on my 2000 RL Navi at $39,700, Congratulations!!
Nov 14, 2000 (1:37 am)
Thank you. Although i am lucky that Acura is offering the $3,000 incentive to dealers. otherwise my deal is as good as retiredagent's: $1,200 over invoice.
Anyone have experience with these "new" 5 year paint sealant/waxes? Is there anything to their claims for a 5 year finish which is perfect?
Acura has succeeded and survived with 6 cylinders. i bet that the next RL will have a 6 cylinder with plenty of torque and horsepower. They created the econo-luxury marquee in 1986 with a V-6 and there is no reason to leave.
#86 of 7386 Five-year sealants ...
Nov 14, 2000 (2:44 pm)
I take these claims like those for the 100K miles between tune-ups: definitely with just a grain. They may last that long, assuming that you keep it garaged and use a car cover whenever parked out in the open. Same with the "seven-year warranty" on car batteries. Anyone remember J.C. Penney's "lifetime" battery?
The V-6 has served Acura well, but I'm surprised that a V-8 hasn't made an appearance after nearly 15 years. Particularly since Lexus and Infiniti had them coming out of the blocks in 1990.
#87 of 7386 Long-term sealants
Nov 14, 2000 (7:40 pm)
last that long, imo, not because of the sealant but because it takes that long for the clearcoat to wear through.