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#6987 of 7386 The Difference Between Welcome and Unwelcome
Mar 01, 2006 (2:57 pm)
This Forum began mid-2004. The dozen-or-so regulars who posted frequently were either Acura owners or prospective buyers, all excited at the emergence of a Legend model change, after having patiently waited nine long years. Those postings, then, had mainly to do with speculation about HP, MPG, PRICE, TORQUE, ELECTRONICS, WHEEL SIZE etc. When the RL finally appeared at the dealerships, the original posters were joined by others who were eager to join the Forum in hopes of gleaning information more specific than had already been published. That said,postings appeared by new purchasers of the 2005RL and by those who were thinking of purchasing now that the car was being discussed widely and there was a more generous flow of specifics. There was great enthusiasm, and there was some disappointment re the absence of a V-8. Generally,the car received a fine reception.
Among those posting regularly, Mark Cincinnati, a most knowledgeable engineer, made a fine contribution to the Forum as he contemplated the purchase of an RL versus an Audi. His postings were technical, informative and unbiased. Other postings of a similar nature followed - all intended to shed light on the new RL and to evaluate it alongside the competition. Then, a new factor was introduced and it's still evident in recent postings.
This is an open Forum, and providing that the language and rhetoric remain civilized, everyone is welcome.However,what is "unwelcome," IMHO,is the tedious criticism of the RL's purported resemblance to the Accord, coupled with disparaging, snide comments about pricing and the aesthetic and performance edge supposedly held by BMW, Audi and Lexus. As Host Pat suggested, there is another Forum in which more general and critical comparisons can be made. This Forum seems to be attractive to many who have no interest in the RL other than to disparage it. These postings are nothing but destructive and cause one to wonder as to motive.
JJAcura and I have been posting since the get-go and have noted the contention fostered by disgruntled outsiders who have no interest in the RL other than to deprecate it. What is an "outsider?" An "outsider" is a poster who has never test-driven an RL, has never read the specs, and has never had any intention of purchasing an RL. Knowing the welcoming nature of this Forum,the "outsider" - perhaps compelled by some personal unhappiness - tries to taint the happiness of others. He's welcome - but his comments are unwelcome.
I've put 10K miles on the RL's odo and have not had one defect appear. I loved the car from the outset and hope that other RL owners share my (and JJAcura's) feelings.
My RL shines like a gem and behaves like a thoroughbred.
#6988 of 7386 Re: The Difference Between Welcome and Unwelcome [acuraphile]
Mar 01, 2006 (4:21 pm)
George, So glad you showed up. I had a feeling you were not far away! I have to say first off the 2005 RL is a remarkable automobile that has given me great satisfaction during the 15+ months I've driven it. There have been no recalls, no flaws, and the few upgrades were smooth and incidental. For a car that has been completely redesigned this is remarkable. For me the performance has been as I say, flawless. The pleasure I derive from using the superior electronics and power with the Sh-AWD elevates my driving experience to a new level. I have never felt safer or more comfortible behind the wheel before. When you need power it is abundantly there, handling, it's there. Braking even surprises me for a 3,900 lb. car...it's great. I feel no need to go after the owners of other Luxury Performance Sedans because I've been reading from the best of them in that forum and by and large these owners bottom line respect one another. Acuraphile also described the type of poster that we all see come and go from this forum quite well I thought. You sometimes have to wonder what's it all about for them. Any way it's been a good ride (15,000 miles) for me obviously and I hope to keep this amazing car for a while.
#6989 of 7386 Re: Calling all cheeseheads!(jjacura included) [intothebuzzsaw]
Mar 01, 2006 (4:47 pm)
Welcome aboard Buzz. I see this is your first post in the forums. I will contact you by e-mail. JJ
PS "Cheeseheads" reminds me of only one thing. (Great football fans!)
#6990 of 7386 Hey folks
Mar 01, 2006 (5:27 pm)
Nice to see you JJ and George - long time no hear from!
And welcome to our new member!!
I just need to make an administrative note here - it's a really bad idea to post your email address on a public webpage and we actively discourage that (see note about it atop the post box). You expose yourself to all kinds of unwanted abuse that way. If you want other members to have your address, just make it public in your profile. That way it is protected from the automated webcrawlers which collect addresses for malicious purposes.
And the other thing, equally important, is that we are an online community and thus wish to sponsor online exchanges that will benefit all of our community, now and in the future. So we routinely remove posts containing email addresses, which indeed I had to do.
And with that comment, class is dismissed.
Welcome new members and those temporarily MIA alike!! Nice to have you all here again.
#6991 of 7386 Re: The Difference Between Welcome and Unwelcome [acuraphile]
Mar 02, 2006 (5:12 am)
Why am I unwelcomed here? Because I said that the RL looks like an Accord and that I thought the price was too high? Does this say "RL ENTHUSIASTS FORUM"? No, it says RL forum. I resent being "unwelcomed" here just because I had some negative things to say about your sacred cow. The RL is a great car....but it's not perfect and it's not priced perfectly, IMHO. Why can't I say that?
#6992 of 7386 Re: The Difference Between Welcome and Unwelcome [daryll44]
Mar 02, 2006 (8:22 am)
Actually, daryll44, you can say those things. The problem is where you're saying it. Those comments would be more objectively received if they were stated in the Luxury Performance Sedans board.
You have to look at the RL board on a different slant. It's sort of like if someone went into your home and started pointing out all the flaws in it. You may or may not know they're there, but you certainly don't want someone else pointing them out. Comments such as yours (and many others all over the 'net) are met here with eloquent prose that is nothing more than a backhanded way of telling you to get lost. Funny thing is, I can't help visualizing the guitar vs. banjo scene from the movie "Deliverance" every time I read one!
#6993 of 7386 Re: The Difference Between Welcome and Unwelcome [daryll44]
Mar 02, 2006 (9:16 am)
I believe that Acuraphile said YOU ARE welcome here.
Opinions are also welcome. That's what a forum is all about.
But he was referring I think to the inane person that takes the cheap shot without ever having spent the time to drive the car or read the specs. The person that looks for a flaw and has nothing contructive to base the opinion on other than to bash the product. Having said that many opinions are SUBJECTIVE anyway. But bottom line, there is no way any forum can keep the trolls out permanently... It's just part of the woodwork. And those of us that are big fans of the car will usually try to keep a certain amount of class going forward.
#6994 of 7386 RL Sales Reports
Mar 02, 2006 (12:39 pm)
For those reading monthly sales reports on the RL and its competitors and thinking that RL sales are really awful, just a reminder that these statistics are misleading because most of the manufacturers report their sales by model grouping whereas the RL model only has one version.
For example, the BMW 5 series includes about 6 different versions only two of which, the 530 and 530xi, are truly competitors of the RL. Same with the Infinit M and Audi 6 as there are about 3 versions of each combined into the sales report for each.
While the RL sales are certainly nothing to brag about, the sales reports are not as bad as some seem to be taking them. I could only find a breakdown of the February BMW sales by model version and the RL is pretty competitive. For February, 06, BMW sold 902 of the 530s and 710 of the 530xi, whereas the RL was 712 units.
I still enjoy the relative uniqueness of driving the RL, of which I am 100% satisfied with, although I see at least another RL on the road every day now but not like the TL and MDX which are everywhere. I very rarely see an Infinit M on the road and to my eyes in my driving environment the M seems more rare than the RL. Same with the 06 Lexus GS which is not very common either.
I am sure that Acura would rather sell more RLs but I frankly don't care either way. I chose to buy my RL almost 1.5 years ago now and would make the same choice today.
Mar 02, 2006 (2:07 pm)
I can only add "amen" to the great comments above. As those of you who've been on here for a while know, I was the first one out of my dealership with the new 05 RL almost 1 1/2 years ago. I loved it from the moment I laid eyes on it at the NY auto show in April 04 and I've loved it every moment I've spent driving it. It hasn't been problem free - I've had a few very minor problems, all of which have been fixed. I love looking at it as I approach it, I love unlocking it and starting it without a key and, most of all, I love driving it. It's an absolute joy to drive.
If I got in an accident tomorrow and it was demolished, I wouldn't hesitate to go over to my dealership and buy an 06 RL.
#6996 of 7386 my 2 cents on the trends in this forum
Mar 03, 2006 (4:37 am)
I totally agree with the welcome/unwelcome thing. I have not been a frequent poster, but I am a frequent reader of posts here and an 06 RL owner. What blows my mind are people who come here and spew total false comments about the RL in an attempt to cut it down and flame people. Here are examples: fake wood (uh...no), small and should compete with a BMW 3 or lexus IS (no, check the facts on rear seat, head and shoulder room, as well as outside dimensions across cars), slow (again, right on par and sometimes better compared to its competitors like the 530xi, E350 4matic, GS300awd, or M35 awd cars....check facts and actually read some reviews and tests!), just like an accord (as a previous accord owner, this is a TOTALLY laughable one), has torque steer (uh, sorry, no way...read all of the reviews of it and DRIVE ONE!), no rear seat room (check the numbers), terrible handling (well, not based on what many reviews have said and on skidpad numbers published in CD, MT, etc), and noisy (this is subjective, but not true if one looks at the decibel numbers published in Road and Track and Car and Driver for example). One of my all time favorites is the assertion that it is more expensive than the BMW 5 series. Sorry, but a BMW 525xi is less expensive if you buy the stripped one with a leatherette interior (uh, I'll pass on that, especially for a car that is much slower 0-60 than the RL oh, but I forgot that the RL is a heavy cow!). There is almost no way to get a 530xi at the same price as an RL unless you buy the absolute bare bones one with nothing. Another are TL owners who come here and also disparage the RL (agina, why, we are on the same side!). I like Acuras and also like the TL very much (my mom has an 05TL). I have driven hers and also driven a 2006 TL as a loner, and in my opinion (again, mine) the RL is better (quieter, smoother, more steering effort, and better materials inside). Whether it is 13K or so better than the TL is up to each individual to decide (it wasn't for my mom, but it was to me). I do not wish to debate this.
Whenever someone comes over here and starts talking about all of this crap, they are showing me that they have either never driven, researched properly, or even sat in an RL. I therefore discount their comments. I am certainly not suggesting that this forum should not be about debating issues regarding the RL, as every car has its advantages and disadvantages. However, throwing out silly baseless comments is not the way to do it, and, frankly, reveals some serious insecurities about posters who write them.
For the record, I spent months driving the 5, E class, and the A6 before deciding on the RL. All of these cars are great and have certain advantages over others. No one car in my opinion has everything better than another. For me, the RL was the best combination of factors.
Well, sorry for the rant!