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Acura RL, Sedan
#6631 of 7386 Re: Prospective RL V-8 [acuraphile]
Aug 11, 2005 (12:38 pm)
My friend Acuraphile...I will no doubt replace the RL before 2011 and have no problems with the VTec 6. It is a great engine. I'm wondering though, in light of what I paid for a full tank of gas about 1 hour ago, whether or not Acura will bring to us a Hybrid Luxury Performance sedan? (Or does the term "Performance" necessarily negate a Hybrid potential.) Any thoughts on that subject? I believe Lexus has some hybrids coming soon.
#6632 of 7386 Paint Problem with the 05RL?
Aug 11, 2005 (2:30 pm)
Have others of you encountered a strange problem with the paint on the 05RL i.e., getting tacky in spots?
We noticed a spot on the driver's side right front panel that looked sticky - but we were not sure whether it was the paint - or something else. After trying to remove it with a spray McGuires product that claims to remove different types of spots... we were convinced it was the paint.... not something else. We are wondering if this is a general problem...or just one confined to our vehicle...which in every other way has been quite wonderful.
#6633 of 7386 Re: A Long-time Subscriber, But Not A Worshipper [washdcguy]
Aug 11, 2005 (6:08 pm)
CR recommends the RL, and puts the TL in top of it's class. I think that is reasonable. CR does not say the Navi is bad just not intuitive. What's wrong with that? They also put the Accord top of it's class, so they are not anti-Honda or Acura. Just an unbiased good mag.
#6634 of 7386 Re: Dealers [mamika]
Aug 11, 2005 (9:38 pm)
I too have found repeatedly that customer service at Lexus and Toyota dealers is better than Acura. I drive an 04 LS430 and recently was in the market for a similar sized 2nd car that would cost less but have the same features. I made several trips back to Acura and test drove the RL twice. A friend recommended I look at the Avalon Limited instead, which was a great suggestion. The Avalon is larger, faster, and less "plasticy" than the RL interior. Also, cooling front seats, reclining rear seats and 360watt JBL 12 speaker w/ voice controlled Navigation blew away the RL standard equipment. The only feature RL has not in Avalon is Bluetooth; easily resolved with an aftermarked BT kit. Either way I found both Toyota and Lexus dealer to be incredibly helpful. Easy to do w/ good cars I suppose...
#6635 of 7386 Sorry, But I Disagree
Aug 12, 2005 (12:06 am)
Tried the new Avalon and found it quite different than was just described. (But then, people will differ.) I thought the interior was a BIG step down from that offered in the RL, materials-wise (fit and finish were fine). The sound system, for all its power was not nearly as clear as the system in the RL. And the handling...whoa! It drove like a big fat boat.
But personal taste is what picking a car is all about. Enjoy your Avalon. I hope you have many happy years with the car. It's just not an automobile I'd ever drive, let alone purchase.
#6636 of 7386 Re: Dealers [jhuton]
Aug 12, 2005 (5:17 am)
Interesting that you would take the time to post in this forum to tell us about your discovery. It would be like an Acura RL owner considering purchasing another less expensive car and going to the Lexus LS430 forum to tell the folks that you drove their flagship but instead spent far less and bought a TL instead....???? Enjoy your Toyota with the aftermarket BT kit because that is exactly what you got. It's no Lexus! Also how is it that you were able to compare service at Lexus and Toyota compared to Acura. What Acura do you own?
#6637 of 7386 Re: Prospective RL V-8 [jjacura]
Aug 12, 2005 (7:19 am)
Essentially, a hybrid benefits the ecology but damages the pocketbook. If Acura was to turn out a hybrid luxury performance sedan, imagine the implied cost. You and I particularly, would desire the new technology package, the cost of which, in combination with the added hybrid technology, would by 2011 no doubt exceed $65K or even $70K. Conceivable? The added MPG savings would recede far into the background, ground to dust by the enormity of the 2011 price.
Having concern for the ecology is laudable, but in consideration of the price of fuel and the cost of going hybrid, there woiuld be no $$$ saved, IMHO.
One thing is certain: if Acura went to a Luxury Performance V-8, rhe CD writer would probably write: "So, why no hybrid?"
#6638 of 7386 Re: Prospective RL V-8 [acuraphile]
Aug 12, 2005 (7:45 am)
Thanks for the reminder ...my thinking was .....pennywise and dollar foolish!
#6639 of 7386 Re: Dealers [jhuton]
Aug 12, 2005 (8:01 am)
If you were looking for a similar sized 2nd car that wold cost less but have the same features as your LS430...and interested in staying in the Lexus / Toyota family....you should have consider the Lexus ES.
You are selling yourself short by going with Avalon...poor decision while maintaining brand loyalty.
BTW...which Acura did you own to have established your customer service viewpoint? Enjoy the Toyota dealership care experience which is surely as fine as Lexus.
#6640 of 7386 Re: Dealers [jjacura]
Aug 12, 2005 (8:08 am)
Looks like I hit a nerve. In the interst of being civil, I would suggest the following:
1) I disagree with your analogy about owning an RL and going to an LS 430 forum. An RL and LS are really not comparable. Different features and buyers. Same reason I wouldn't compare my LS to an S class or 7 Series (different prestige levels and buyer needs). Like it or not, the RL is much more comparable to the Avalon Ltd. than to an LS430. The cost difference between an Avalon Ltd. and RL is only about $10k - this is less than many option packages in the V-8 luxury class.
2) You can make this about money (ie, settling for a TL or Avalon) but that really isnt the point. If Honda were to make an Accord that is faster, roomier and similarly equipped to the RL, the RL wouldn't be a better car just because it cost twice as much. I don't understand your Bluetooth comment. You can buy an $18k car with BT- hopefully this single feature doesn't define your car or your buying experience. Even Car & Driver admits that the $49k RL msrp is higher than they would expect for similarly equipped v-6 cars.
3) The subject matter in the forum relates to Dealer Service - which is exactly the context of my last post. I had every intention of buying an RL a month ago, it is a FINE car, BUT, if based on multiple trips to the Acura dealer I am underwhelmed by their experience, courtousy, and technical knowledge -- I'm not going to buy a car from them just to find out for sure that the dealer is not so good!!