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Re: Crash Tests [jjacura] by bodble2
Jul 21, 2005 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: jjacura (Jul 21, 2005 8:06 am)

"The government or the insurance industry?"
 
You mean who's the bigger crook?
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Re: Crash Tests [jjacura] by hendjaz
Jul 21, 2005 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: jjacura (Jul 21, 2005 8:06 am)

JJ, Here is a excerpted quote from the Insurance Institute"s 7-17 press release about the Audi/Infiniti test results that is on its website:
 
"Audi and Infiniti requested the front and side tests of these cars, and the Institute's policy is to grant such requests if a manufacturer provides reimbursement for the cost of the vehicles. "
 
Evidently a manufacturer can expedite the testing if they pick up the costs of it. Otherwise that testing will happen later or maybe not at all as there seems to be a number of vehicles that have not yet been tested for the side crash. The press release notes that the Audi is only the fourth vehicle to get its "double best pick" (for front and side) while the Infiniti gets a single best pick, the same as the RL at this point since the RL has not yet undergone the side crash test.
 
No idea which organization's testing is more reliable/credible.
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Re:U.S. Gov. OR Insurance Industry [bodble2] by jjacura
Jul 21, 2005 (5:26 pm)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Jul 21, 2005 9:09 am)

"You mean who's the bigger crook?"
 
Well I'm not going to go there, since I am a Veteran and also worked for a major Insurance Co.
(Why do I get the feeling you are really from say... Chicago and established residency in Canada about 1967. (Just Kidding!)
JJ
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Re: Crash Tests [hendjaz] by cstiles
Jul 21, 2005 (7:40 pm)
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Replying to: hendjaz (Jul 21, 2005 9:49 am)

It's not even close.
 
I've had the pleasure of meeting and spending time with Brian O'Neill from the IIHS, along with visiting his test sites on two occasions. There is no question that IIHS is substantially ahead of NHTSA. O'Neill is passionate and almost crazy about safety. Ths same applies to his second in command--Adrian Lund.
 
Especially with Bush in charge, NHTSA's funding is behind that of the IIHS, thanks to the insurers ponying up some big dollar support. IIHS's philosophy is to continue to push the envelope with testing methodology, so they force carmakers to progressively increase their own investments on behalf of safety. I wouldn't exactly compare O'Neill to Ralph Nader, but there are some similarities in terms of their tenaciousness in pushing for safety. Safer cars mean lower costs for insurers---so the industry has a vested interest in funding IIHS's mission.
 
IIHS is ahead of NHTSA in so many areas it isn't even close---offset barrier testing at 40mph vs. non-offset testing, rollover methodologies for SUVs, head restraint standards, side impact protection, anti-theft technology, and even improved automotive repair standards. IIHS is also directly connected with testing completed in other industrialized nations around the world, and it is a leading member of RCAR (Research Council for Automotive Repairs). IIHS does not work with other governments. Although he won't publicly admit it, Dubya is not a big fan of NHTSA because it's efforts ultimately add costs to business.
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Noted ... by pat HOST
Jul 21, 2005 (8:39 pm)
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Now let's not get any further into things that are not specifically RL related, okay?
 
Back to our subject...
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Re: Noted ... [pat] by hendjaz
Jul 22, 2005 (7:01 am)
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Replying to: pat (Jul 21, 2005 8:39 pm)

Pat, I believe cstiles response and our brief discussion of the crash test results is very germaine to the RL and its direct competitors. We are looking forward to the Institute's side testing and results foe the RL. Since the RL had only been fully tested by one of the two testing organizations, it is a legitimate question as to which of the organizations might be more credible. I for one welcome opinions on this as most of us have little knowledge other than reading the test results when they come out.
 
Here's hoping for an RL "double" when it is finally tested in the all important side test by the Institute. Then it will match the A6 and exceed the M35.
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Re: Noted ... [hendjaz] by pat HOST
Jul 22, 2005 (7:24 am)
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Replying to: hendjaz (Jul 22, 2005 7:01 am)

This is not the place to debate IIHS vs NHSTA and it's not the place to get into the political forces behind those agencies.
 
Our subject is the RL sedan. We have a News & Views board where in depth examination of the crash testing methodology is appropriate.
 
If you or anyone else wants to discuss this further, let's take it offline instead of continuing to keep this discussion off-track.
 
Thanks.
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Re: Noted ... [pat] by jjacura
Jul 22, 2005 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: pat (Jul 22, 2005 7:24 am)

I would agree not to extend this subject as pertains to the comparison between agencies but cstiles information was excellant and did lend credibility to distinguishing the DIFFERENCE. And like hendjaz look forward as we all do to the results of the RL side crash tests with IIHS.
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Oil Change Frequency by dib
Jul 22, 2005 (4:31 pm)
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I got my RL on April 1. The manual says change the oil every 7500 miles; dealer says they know what Honda recommends and they respectfully disagree and recommend 3750 mile intervals. When I pushed the service manager, he said he would ignore the message lights and let the dealer's computer dictate what to do.
 
He also says that for the TL, Honda recommends changing the oil but not the filter (!) at 3750 mile intervals and both at 7500 mile intervals which he thinks is ridiculous.
 
This is a very reputable dealer.
 
Thoughts?
 
David B in CT
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Re: Oil Change Frequency [dib] by acraandy
Jul 22, 2005 (5:26 pm)
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Replying to: dib (Jul 22, 2005 4:31 pm)

1st off: You can not change the oil too often, however you can wait too long.
 
That being said:
If the oil says 7500 miles and you follow that guideline to the number I believe you will not have any issues. If you do have an issue, you will be able to produce evidence that you followed the guidelines.
I (and others at my dealership) use the 7500 mile intervals as a feature that seperates the RL cost of ownership from other cars in the same price range.
You are basically dealing with a disagreement between the people who designed, engineered, manufactured, tested and warranteed the engine and the person who sells it. I tend to agree with the former.

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