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#4970 of 7386 Re: RL vs. TL value [gogglespiasano]
Nov 26, 2004 (6:44 am)
A very effective argumenting yours yet one that does not bind me to reach conclusions similar to yours.
I guess factors to be considered are the reality of market offerings (note the posting offered by the Detroit news follwoing your own in the forum).
Summing up my impressions I believe the Honda/Acura folks did the right thing.
A) Price was increased in reasonable terms from the previous model
B) Quality/performance has skyrocketed instead
C) the price/perfromance ratio has definitely improved.
The styling compromises are somewhat highly debatable and personal taste is obviously out of question when an automaker works on sheet metals but I think they got smack on a 'general consensus' of classy styling that does not turn heads but will look good for eternity.
Now I am on your side in terms of braking and rear seat space/trunk volume.
On both of this items I would suggest reading back interesting postings that may be quite revealing.
In short, If braking is so so I would like to have a tech evaluation of how much of that is contributed by the poor tyre selection (this is a sore with the latest offerings from Honda, it looks like they are obsessed with maximizing their EPA ratings and sacrifice plenty of goodness to that end!).
The rear seat argument has been linked instead to the 'call' for the acura brand to be a performance oriented offering. I guess if you buy in this phylosophy you can see how pririties shift away from offering a comfy couch in the back. My take is I would prefer still to have as much comfort as possible but I recognized that size expansion and vehicle weight are counter to optimum performance goals.
For the trunk issue our forum 'illuminati' have reported how volumes are measured by 2 main standards and how little information that info can have. In addition several owners have reported that they can fit all their travel gear without issues and I guess that is enough for a vehicle in the RL category.
Finally about concerns of the RL not being 'enough' of a top of the line luxo-cruiser I debated months ago that I would not be surprised to see a new offering above the RL (and with V8) in the next 2-3 years. This is mostly based on current development of racing cars where Honda gathered numerous trophies in 2004. Its committment to F-1 racing in particular is contingent upon developing a V8 starting this up-coming season!
Happy Thanksgiving Holiday to everybody, and good Holiday Season shopping!
#4971 of 7386 RL and comparisons
Nov 26, 2004 (7:56 am)
Soft brakes, rear seats and trunk space are nagatives in the RL, and the potential cross-shopping with the TL and even the Accord to justify the respective premiums over these sedans. Among various posts here, the RL's USP is interpreted differently by those who has purchased it, as compared to those who have tested / read about it. If it is luxury, then the RL falls short in a big way - Acura had an opportunity to create a vehicle to potentially go against the LS 430, the Audi A8 (AWD) and certainly this RL is not in the same league. Which brings it down to the mainstream segment dominated by the E 320 and the the 5 series BMWs. Here, an ideal blend of comfort, luxury and performance are important, and most importantly, a marquee badge. The RL may score over its rivals in perhaps 2 out of 4 categories. A $ 5 K price advantage may be less-important for buyers in this segment.
So what is the RL's USP: If it is performance and driver oriented needs then even a 3 series BMW (and certainly the as-yet released new 3 series) would be a better value. A 2006 3 series with 250+ hp, AWD and weighing about 600 lbs. less and costing $ 10 K less would be more appealing than this RL. This BMW's rear-seat room and cargo room would be about as bad as the current RL's, so it leads to the question of where the RL really stands out. Potential buyers who desire AWD in an Acura may see the MDX as a better value, albeit it is a SUV.
I believe the RL may sell at or close to MSRP, but once production increases to normal levels, and with the new 3 series on the horizon, expect inventories to build up and prices to drop down. Emphasizing performance alone potentially has some downsides, as Infiniti and Jaguar have realized in the past.
#4972 of 7386 LA Times Review
Nov 26, 2004 (8:10 am)
I don't think I have seen this review noted here. Partial text is below (would not all fit) for your convenience.
http://www.latimes.com/classified/automotive/highway1/la-hy-neil2- - 4nov24,0,5636433.story?coll=la-class-autos-highway1
RUMBLE SEAT DAN NEIL
A sound investment
The Acura RL is up to its ears in high-tech refinement -- and you haven't heard the half of it.
By Dan Neil, Times Staff Writer
I was an audiophile in college. Incorrigible, really. I shouldn't have been allowed within 100 yards of an audio.
My stereo system comprised a 400-watt McIntosh amp and preamp, four Klipsch speakers, an anvil-heavy Thorens turntable and a Tascam reel-to-reel four-track recording deck. I remember standing outside my burning apartment in worse-for-wear BVDs and hearing — as if they were Clarice's bleating sheep — these components shriek and sizzle and puddle together with some 500 albums and tapes.
So much for that hobby.
After the fire, I bought some consumer-quality stereo equipment and settled down to a life of aural mediocrity, never again to savor fully the depth and nuance of my Black Oak Arkansas records.
But in the last decade or so I have monitored, with what I like to think is a fairly accomplished ear, the changes in car audio, not all of which have been positive. The self-deafening fetish of kilowatt amplifiers and seismic subwoofers loud enough to cause cattle to spontaneously abort … well, that's not so great. When enough kids lose their hearing or develop tinnitus, the aftermarket manufacturers of these systems are going to get slapped with the mother of all class-action lawsuits.
Other technologies are just gimmicks. Programmable DSP (Digital Sound Processing) essentially increases reverb levels to mimic the spatial acoustics of different rooms, for instance, "club," "concert hall" or "stadium." That's just what I want: Mozart at the Meadowlands.
In the Acura RL, however, I think I've found the perfect car audio system. It's transportation for the soul.
Like its sibling the TL, the RL is equipped with a Bose DVD-Audio sound system. DVD-Audio is a recording format that contains some 500 times the amount of information of a standard audio CD. These DVD-A CDs — remastered from original recordings — create a superb spatial illusion by putting individual instruments and voices across eight surround-sound channels, so convincingly that you will find yourself checking the back seat to see if Milli and Vanilli have their seat belts on.
Even with ordinary CDs the system's processors helpfully divvy up the two stereo channels into a fairly convincing surround-sound experience, using what Bose calls its Centerpoint processing. The lowest frequencies are parsed from the other channels and pumped through the woofers.
So it's super hi-fi surround sound with exceptional audio imaging — Lionel Hampton sounds like he's playing vibes on your ribs, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan warbles at the edge of the afterlife. Amazing.
A car, however, is not a living room. It's a cramped space full of hard, reflective surfaces and soft, absorbent materials, so each car's cabin has its unique acoustic features. Meanwhile, cars are noisy. Mechanical sounds from the powertrain, road noise and wind noise all compete with an audio system.
Most of the automakers that use Bose systems, including Acura, make use of the company's Audiopilot noise compensation system, which monitors cabin noise — say, the whistle of a partially opened moon roof or the churring white noise from rough pavement — and boosts amplitude in certain frequencies to compensate. Audiopilot can be found in everything from Corvettes to Maseratis to Maybachs.
Unique to Acura is its Active Noise Cancellation (ANC) system. In principle, it works just like Bose's noise-canceling headsets (which makes me wonder why Bose doesn't market a system like it). ANC monitors low-frequency cabin noise (around 100 hertz or lower) and then reproduces the signal 180 degrees out of phase, which has the effect of muting the booming low-frequency sound in the cabin. Call it the sounds of silence.
ANC operates whether or not the audio system is turned on. As soon as you turn the ignition switch, the cabin fills with a cottony, comfortably numb quiet above which the richer and more pleasant sounds of the car and stereo can be heard.
The rundown of the RL's audio system goes like this: a 10-speaker, 260-watt surround-sound audio system, with six-disc in-dash changer, compatible with DVD-Audio/CD/MP3/WMA formats (Don't know what they are? Ask your kids), as well as XM satellite radio with a free one-year subscription.
The RL is a veritable landslide of in-car technology — including a surprisingly lucid voice-recognition system parlaying with the audio, climate, Bluetooth phone and navigation systems (560 voice commands, such as "Find nearest Vietnamese restaurant" … and later, if you fall ill: "Find nearest hospital"). It even recognizes spoken addresses, so you can say the address — "Two-Oh-Two West First Street" — and the system will find it for you without your spinning and punching in letters as if you were working a Dymo tape machine. The nav system also includes a Zagat restaurant guide — it will dial selected restaurants for you — and split-screen 3-D route guidance.
Brace yourself, Angelenos: The RL offers real-time traffic information. Using data culled from Caltrans and other sources and put up on the XM satellite, the RL's nav system displays traffic slowdowns, road construction and SigAlerts. The system will even route you around these arterial blockages if you ask it.
Of course, if it means another 30 minutes in the virtual presence of Alison Krauss or Elliott Smith, maybe you are not in that big a hurry.
At some point this car gets to be so accommodating it's funny. The keyless access system, for example, uses a transmitter key that you keep in your pocket. When you approach, the car recognizes the key and will unlock itself. When you leave, you need only wave your hand over the outside handle to lock it.
Retractable rear headrests? Check. Power rear sunscreen? Check. Retractable rear window sunscreens? Road-following headlamps? All right, already.
Oh, yes, it goes like a bat out of heck, too (no FCC fines for me). Powered by a purling 3.5- liter V6 putting out a thoroughly overachieving 300 horsepower (and getting 18/26 EPA mileage to boot), the five-speed RL also features Honda/Acura's new "Super Handling" all-wheel drive system (feel free to laugh at the name). What's so super? Simply put, the electronically controlled rear transaxle accelerates the outside wheel in a corner — according to traction, load and yaw rate compared with steering angle — thereby helping the car turn.
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Nov 26, 2004 (8:28 am)
Several posts note that the brakes are not up to the standards of several competitors. I think this comes from a statistical comparisons in several articles, which is certainly a valid reference point for comparison analysis. Have any 05 RL owners subjectively experienced any apparent brake deficiency or inadequacy? I certainly have not and have found the brake feel and stopping distance to be on a par with my personal favorite braking system, that of my recently traded-in 03 BMW 530. I have found the brakes on the RL to be very responsive and not "soft" at all. Not a scientific test and just my subjective feeling based on my recent experience with the 530. I cannot say that for my 04 MDX as one has to really apply a lot of foot pressure to bring it to a stop, unlike my wife's Volvo XC90 which has more responsive brakes than the MDX. In any event, I am very satisfied with the 05 RL braking system, so far.
#4974 of 7386 Re: RL vs. TL value [gogglespiasano]
Nov 26, 2004 (9:22 am)
Gogglespisano, thanks for your insightful and well-reasoned reply. As indicated, I agree with certain of your assessments, particularly with respect to brake performance and rear seat roominess, and believe the RL can do better.
Has anyone compared RL's audio system to TL's? I know both use the same technology (DVD-A), but the RL's seems to have a better name cache over TL's -- i.e. Bose vs. Panasonic?
P.S. Bose is not necessarily always better, as the "premium" Bose system in my 03 Max is pretty mediocre, and that is already a compliment
#4975 of 7386 Anyone Read the Latest Car and Driver Mag Review of RL?
Nov 26, 2004 (11:14 am)
Has anyone else read the latest review of the 2005RL in Car and Driver?
Interesting to say the least. I knew the car was slow BUT 0-60 in 7.?!
I'll leave it at that.
Pick up a copy and enjoy!
#4976 of 7386 rca input for mp3 players
Nov 26, 2004 (11:24 am)
Someone touched on this earlier and I also am interested...does the RL's stereo have an easy rca input jack so people can hook up their mp3 players like the iriver devices, ipod, etc? Without a tape player you can' use the tape adapter wiht these devices so I am curious if there is a way to use them in the RL.
Interesting since there is a RL review on car and driver's site and it says 0-60 in 6.7 seconds which IMO, should be quick enough for everyone short of people taking the car to actual drag strips.
#4977 of 7386 Re: rca input for mp3 players [r2917]
Nov 26, 2004 (12:05 pm)
Are you still considering the RL? Have you checked the exchange rates today? Canadians are now paying $13,000CDN more for the same car as our Americans friends.
It will be interesting to see the Canadian sales numbers for RL for NOvember(first sales month).
Have a great day;
#4978 of 7386 Re: rca input for mp3 players [gbabaluk]
Nov 26, 2004 (12:43 pm)
Yep, I am still considering it.
I realize that we are sort of getting the short end of the stick with respect to pricing but for all those years when our dollar was not doing well we got our cars for a bargain compared to our southern neighbours.. I am not trying to justify the price they set the car at here but hey, what goes around comes around I guess.
The thing is, it isn't just an RL/Acura issue. A loaded GS300 costs 10-11 grand more here ($67,000 CDN) compared to in the U.S. after exchange ($56,000 CDN after exchange) so really, as upset as I was with Acura in early OCT when I heard the MSRP, I see that basically every other car brand is the same because of the exchange rate these days. Well, at least luxury brands are the same.
Heck, a fully loaded LS430 is 20 grand "overpriced" here.
#4979 of 7386 Re: Anyone Read the Latest Car and Driver Mag Review of RL? [gbabaluk]
Nov 26, 2004 (1:02 pm)
I think you picked up a wrong copy. They got RL to do the run in 6.7s. I will have to figure out if that is indeed slow for a luxury cruiser.
How much for BMW 530i or E320?