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Acura RL, Sedan
#4914 of 7386 Re: RL vs. TL value [gogglespiasano]
Nov 23, 2004 (2:04 pm)
Au contraire Googlespiasano! I did, in fact, give proper priority and credence to the importance of braking when I stated “Not withstanding Braking distance - back seat and trunk volume are far from what I would call "key areas". The word "notwithstanding" is intended to convey "despite, nevertheless, although, against,however, etc." Now regarding your comment that I “…just quoted some vague propaganda about magazines saying the RL "leads its category…" allow me to refer you to the following articles: (Links removed)
Toronto Star Review
SH-AWD Toronto Star Review 09/04
Motor Trend Preview 09/04
Autoweek Preview 09/04
Edmunds Editors Review 10/04
Car & Driver Buyers Guide 10/04
Autoweek SEMA ASPEC RL review 11/04
Road and Track Preview 10/04
Car & Driver Full Review 12/04
Automobile Magazine Review 10/04
Smart Money Magazine Review (December Issue)
Popular Science Magazine Best of 2004 Award Winner
Honda Legend Japan Car of the Year Award & Most Advanced Technology Award
Given time I'll gladly furnish some additional vague references.
Your impression that the A6 and E320 have more rear space "may" be true but, frankly, I don't care because rear seat spaciousness it not an overriding concern of mine - rarely, if ever, do I have rear seat passengers - but I can see the importance of rear seat space if you haul around a lot of people.
I will acquiesce to your notion that acceleration and braking are very important performance specs but I will counter that an EVO, WRX, RSX and some other pocket rockets not only outclass the RL in that category - they also, clearly outclass many, many other vehicles in the + $50k range...so whats your point? (Although I must sheepishly admit that, deep down inside, I think the RL should outclass the Acura TL and the new hybrid Honda Accord, in every performance category - smile)
I respect your views and you make some good, salient points - but to bring this discussion full circle and avoid, as you state, "vague assertions" what vehicles do you consider to be in the RL's peer category and how, when it comes to HP, torque, acceleration, braking, skidpad, fit & finish, quality of materials used, and safety engineering features, are they superior to the RL? Back to you...
#4915 of 7386 Re: robertsmx [tayl0rd]
Nov 23, 2004 (2:08 pm)
Non-owners and one-time test drivers seem to have found a home away from home in this forum. Is it a test drive that gives you "passage" and permits you to participate here on a regular basis? Is the test-drive your "introduction" that will allow your name to become familiar enough so that your criticisms have more validity?
If you don't own an RL, don't want to own one, have just test driven one or just want to exercise your syntax and see your name in lights, then undertake a life of self-examination and try to understand exactly why you're posting in this forum. It's unclear to me why you're here, posting criticisms that may or may not be valid but certainly, deliberately, causing apprehension among those coming to know their new, complex cars. This goes to motive, so what is your motive and what keeps you here? Why the persistent interest in this car, one that you don't intend to own? Further, once you've posted, why the need to reply to so many other posts? It certainly smacks of ego. Now that you're a "published" author, feed off that for a while and permit us to have an honest discussion that's relevant to our new experience with the RL. Though you have every right to be here, you seem to be an alien presence.
On the brighter side: my Lakeshore Silver RL is due to arrive tomorrow. Are there any positive comments about the back-up sensors?
#4916 of 7386 Feedback Coming...
Nov 23, 2004 (2:26 pm)
I took delivery of an 05' Opulent Blue Pearl RL on October 14th - the first day of release/availability. As of today I have 2000 city miles on it. Tomorrow I go on a 2000 mile round trip to Kansas with two passengers (Wife and adult daughter) if there are no objections, I would like to share with you, my impression of the RL upon my return..."Stay tuned, the news contiues (CNN)"
Nov 23, 2004 (2:48 pm)
I doubt you’re getting the point about differences between VDA and SAE standards. Measurements are one thing, and using the available space is another. Quoting VDA will not take away space that is available for your “flexible storage”. It still sits there (but goes unaccounted for in the spec sheet)! Just because it doesn’t exist on the spec sheet does not mean you cannot use it. This is also true in Accord Hybrid where the on-paper trunk space looks small, but the whole area where the spare tire used to sit isn’t added to the trunk space. You have that space available for your flex stuff.
The point is that VDA provides for a conservative estimate. So, when you choose to compare measurements, make sure you understand the process involved. It is bound to make a difference.
PS. This would be my last post on trunk space. I chimed into this debate noticing some misinformation floating around that I could help alleviate with my understanding.
#4918 of 7386 Re: robertsmx [acuraphile]
Nov 23, 2004 (3:25 pm)
With all due respect, I think you need to follow your own advice and undertake a little self examination if you feel compelled to discourage debate or an exchange of personal opinions because of your fear of apprehension about your purchase decision.
This is not the Edmunds "owners" forum; nor is it the Acura RL fan club. The exchange of information and opinions here has been rather civil. If you find your apprehension level rising, skip the posts that bother you.
We are in the process of shopping for an SUV. The MDX, GX470, LR3 and XC90 are the major contenders. I have gone into each forum and appreciated the different perspectives from both owners and non-owners of each. Sure, there are the occassional "trash talkers" who seem intent on promoting a negative agenda, but they are pretty easy to identify and ignore. But, in trying to decide how to spend my $40-$60k, I actually want to hear from people that have opposing views of the various vehicles we are considering, as well as happy owners.
#4919 of 7386 Re: [tayl0rd]
Nov 23, 2004 (3:30 pm)
Both mirrors in my RL also tilt down with my car in reverse. What's going on here?
Nov 23, 2004 (4:58 pm)
Nov 23, 2004 (5:14 pm)
Is there any place to plug in an iPod in the '05 RL?
#4922 of 7386 Re: robertsmx [habitat1]
Nov 23, 2004 (5:33 pm)
I agree with habitat1. This is a car discussion FORUM. That means a place where people exchange ideas and opinions. Just because one don't agree with a person's opinion, we cannot start demanding only those who own the car to speak.
I have been following the forum for over 6 months now and truly enjoy the lively discussions here. This is a very active forum with lots of member participation and this should not be frowned upon, but encouraged. While I am tired of the obsessive discussions about trunk measuring means or trunk or backseat space, overall the discussions are interesting and provide insight into the RL and its issues.
I have been quiet and just soaking in the information until now, as I felt compelled to reply to assertation that only owners or wannabe owners can post. That's just ridiculous.
#4923 of 7386 Re: robertsmx [liferules]
Nov 23, 2004 (6:42 pm)
I also agree with Habitat and Liferules. You don't have to pay to play in these FORA. So long as you discuss (or even debate or argue) your position with civility (and a sense of humor won't hurt), everyone is welcome to participate. If you steer off course (no pun intended), our "vigilant" host(ess) will happily advise you in due time