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Acura RL, Sedan
#4177 of 7386 Re: [bodble2]
Oct 15, 2004 (9:11 pm)
You wrote "In Canada, the RL is $25,000 more than the TL-Navi. Factor in taxes (17.5% in BC), and the difference approaches $30,000. Can any TL owner reconcile/justify that difference to trade up? I think I would have trouble anteing up. Now, if they had included a V8 and 50 more ponies...."
Even before the 2005 RL price shot up, I questioned the differential. I have test driven the 2004 TL and the predecessor model. While I agree that the differential seems like a lot of money, I really didn't enjoy driving the TL that much and didn't feel comfortable in it. When I drive my RL I feel like I am in heaven! Therefore, the differential was worth it to me because the two cars are like night and day in my opinion. I think the styling of the TL is beautiful--very sculptured. The change in the RL styling is not as dramatic as that of the TL. It's all in the mind and eye of the beholder! There is no denying that Acura makes a great product in all of their car models. Acura is getting a lot of good press from this message board.
#4178 of 7386 Re: Got it!!! [bodble2]
Oct 15, 2004 (9:23 pm)
Hi bodble2. I don't know why the US flag was up there. Anyway, I think I fixed it and there should be a Maple Leaf on this post.
Thanks for the info on Burrard Acura. I haven't actually contacted any local dealers yet, but have only been looking at the Acura Canada site, which has nothing other than some pictures of the RL.
I am actually planning to wait for the Audi A6 (and maybe even the A4) to become available before going to any dealers. In fact, I was thinking the RL at approx. C$70,000 would be a bit above my budget; however, if we get the 58% residual that they are giving the US, and a reasonable interest rate, the monthly lease payments may be affordable. So far, just looking at the web sites, the BMW 3-Series has the best least rates. From your contacts do you have any pricing and lease info for the RL?
Oct 15, 2004 (9:52 pm)
I saw a White/Parchment 05 RL at South Coast Acura in Costa Mesa, CA. The dealer added $395 protection package, $995 "Finishing Touches", and $2990 "Market Adjustment"! Give me a break!!!
#4181 of 7386 Test drive report
Oct 15, 2004 (11:47 pm)
Finally, the dealer where I ordered the RL (#1 on the list) got 3 demo units (white with parchment, black with ebony, Opulent Blue with Taupe) yesterday. I went in this afternoon for a test drive. Note that I have '98 540iA now, as a background information for you.
Negative point first. RL feels like a 6.5-7.0sec(0-60mph) car to me. The difference is very obvious when I returned in my 540iA. RL only has moderate low end torque. In city driving, it feels heavy (thanks also to the 250lb salesman who sits next to me). I went on highway for about 2 miles, pushing it up harder to speed limit. The high end torque is better. Incremental acceleration, again, thanks to less torque, is not as good as my 540iA (310ft-lb vs 260). Would it beat BMW 530iA in straight line? I think it would.
Now, here come the positives. The interior is definitely Lexus quality. The dash appears to be smaller than what the pictures would have you believe. It is nice and not as intimidating. Soft leather, quality plastics, and the seats are great! I don't care how many WAYS your power seat provides, if it can't fit you well, more ways won't help. BMW has great seats, the RL fits me even better.
The audio is outstanding (beats my BMW hands down). Tried the NAVI. The dial is very easy to operate with those short cut buttons around it. (that is the part that BMW's iDrive missed).
The trunk space is small considering its mini spare. My 540 came with full-size spare and has 11.5cu ft. RL's trunk space does not feel much larger than mine. I really does not care about it that much since I travel long trips in my Odyssey anyway (with 3 kids).
During the whole test drive, I totally felt in control of RL. The suspension is on the firm side (on par with BMW w/o sports pkg). You still can hear the engine roaring, and that is a good thing for me. It is not an exciting vehicle that gets your adrenaline pumping. In quick and fast turns, you still feel RL can take it easily. You simply cannot say that in a FWD vehicle like TL. It feels very competitive against a BMW with 50/50 weight balance. Throughout the whole experience, I didn't feel the SH-AWD in action, which is a good thing. It simply hides behind the scene and does the work for you. I had wished for a rainy day to test drive the RL. In CA, that does not come easily.
On colors, like others here have said, the Opulent Blue is fantastic! It's definitely my favorite without seeing the three shades of silver colors yet.
The moment I closed the door after I sit inside, I knew that Japanese have finally unlocked the secret of German secret in constructing the doors. It slams with a "thunk!". I simply cannot say that even with LS430. Believe me, I have sit in many versions of LS over the years. The "door-slamming" experience is on par with a BMW 5 series. I think a MB E-class may still prevail in this regard.
Have I changed my mind to buy it? Before I left I had a short talk with my salesman. He mentioned there are 20 guys on the list (being in San Jose). He indicated MSRP is non-negotiable at this point, but he could probably throw in some accessories out of his commission (which is probably in the order of $2-3K). I told him that I had expected the price to be around $46K. he agreed to the point that they were expecting somewhere between $46K to $48K. The final price came out on the high side to them. I guess too many on the waiting list jacked up the final MSRP.
My final decision is still pending at this point.
One surprise I found is the wood (or wooden) steering wheel. He is sure that that is standard. I remember the brochure indicates that it is a dealer-installed accessory. I have found no wood(or wooden steering wheel in photos released by Acura. I guess Acura threw it in at the last moment. Good for all buyers. (that is a $500 option!)
The bottom line is that being a 540iA driver for 6+ year, I feel the RL does not deliver the straight line performance as I had expected a 300hp engine would bring. Other than that RL is first-rated. A comparably equipped German vehicle would run at $60K (consider all the gadgetry). I think RL's success heavily depends on how GS300-AWD and M35-AWD are priced. The fight has just begun. If you could wait for 6+ months the decision making would be a much easier one.
#4182 of 7386 Can"t Decide
Oct 16, 2004 (4:36 am)
Ceric, great post! I have read, and re-read your post a few times. I have a 2002 TL-S that I love, but I want to get a new car. I saw the RL, at the NY Auto Show and have been waiting for its release. I went to see it twice last week and was not "Blown Away", and I REALLY, REALLY wanted to like it!. My Dealer will have one for me to drive next week so I will see. (I have not yet seen the interior.) I went to Lexus and got the pictures of the new GS 330 and it just doesn't hit me... I also think that the M45 looks like a bigger G35 (?)and I'm not a fan of G35, although the M45 did make me stop at the NYAS and take a look. I can buy either the TL or the RL; however, money is of course a factor, and cannot decide, do I want a great Sporty Car (TL), or a OK Lux Car for a lot more $ ?.
(BTW I'm 58 but think I'm 37.) Decisions, decisions, decisions... (My wife is leaning towards the RL for the Lux factor, but it just doesn't look like a 50K car to me, and I guess that is really what my problem is...)
Decisions, decisions, I wish that I still had my 53 Ford, my decisions were a lot easier then!
#4183 of 7386 $2990 ADM .........
Oct 16, 2004 (5:01 am)
Is that all? I expect our dealer in Paradise to slap on $3995 or $4995. I'd better not see another grand for "finishing touches."
Not that I've ever paid any of those extras!
Oct 16, 2004 (6:07 am)
tls02, I must agree with you, Ceric's post was indeed great and well balanced. I, like you, am in my fifties (56) and took delivery of my 05' RL on the 14th. I recall on another web site a well respected reviewer by the name of "Justin" was one of the first to test drive the RL's and provided a good collection of pictures and what appeared to be an excellent "preview" of the RL. Anyhow, he (Justin), indicated that the "darker" colors greatly favored the RL style and looked much better than the "lighter" colors. Granted, color choice is a hugely subjective factor and I previously owned a Premium White Pearl 99' RL and was, once again, leaning towards that color. Now you know how agonizing that "color thang" can be right!? Well, to make a long story short, after consulting with a few friends concerning the attractiveness of "dark" colors and Justin's impression of the darker RL's, I bit the bullet and ordered the Opulent Blue Pearl, sight unseen. When it arrived, it took my breath away! That color, my friend, is absolutely stunning, elegant, luxurious and makes the RL look every bit the part of a $50k+ automobile! Trust your wife on this one...
#4185 of 7386 Thoughts after 3 days of ownership
Oct 16, 2004 (7:04 am)
I've driven mine for nearly three days - my thoughts:
- not an old man's ride, much firmer than I'd expected, but that means it corners very well
- the seats really hold you in place in hard corners, you don't get thrown around at all
- plenty of power for me. I haven't maxed it to see exactly what it can do - not going to do that to my brand new car, but in entering freeways, plenty of power. was disappointed I didn't get to try it out on a demo, but my dealer got the customer cars before he got his demo
- the interior has a very rich feel. everything is laid out nicely, the wood and chrome go nicely together. the leather seats are wonderfully soft and comfortable
- nav system is great - love the big screen which is also very well located. it's taking a little bit to get the hang of the voice activation, but it's much easier to enter addresses than on my 99 RL. the big joy stick is so much easier to use than the old touch screen or tiny joy stick. a coworker who had a 5 series BMW with nav and now has an Infiniti with nav says the RL beats both, hands down.
- It's taking me a while to get things programmed, still a ways to go. lots of menu options to program, but fairly intuitive.
- the stereo is great. love the XM radio
- ordered an Opulent Blue Pearl, was a little nervous since I hadn't even seen a color sample, but it's fantastic. each time I look at it, it looks a little different, but always beautiful!
All in all, absolutely love the car and am looking forward to a real road trip with it.
PS - as I've been typing I've been looking out the window at walkers and joggers - nearly all have slowed to get a good look at my RL sitting in the driveway!
#4186 of 7386 Thanks Shotgun & Nebraskaguy
Oct 16, 2004 (8:02 am)
Thanks to both of you for your posts. I have just seen a RL TV commercial and the car looked great! I guess that the proof is in the pudding and I have to go see a cleaned up RL and drive it to be fair. All of the RL's that I saw were in the Dealers back lot and had not been washed yet and I guess that is not fair. BTW did your cars come with a Wood Steering Wheel at No Charge? Another post said that a dealer said that this would be the case, but I am skeptical.
Yes, Shotgun, I have read Justin's Posts at that other Forum and he did say dark colors look great. However, I have a Black/Black TL and although it looks great when clean, it drives me nuts to see every single scratch and ping. I said, "no more black!" My wife would want a Parchment Interior because she thinks that the wood is dark in the new RL and would not show well against a black interior. What color Interior did you get with your Opulent Blue car?