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Acura RL, Sedan
Oct 07, 2004 (10:08 am)
People should remember that there have been some vehicles which even Edmunds deemed to have a TMV higher than MSRP. The most notable in recent years is the Honda Odyssey, which dealers often added ADM of several thousands. This held for over 3-4 years. I had no trouble paying MSRP for mine in 2001.
My Odyssey EX was priced at $26.8K MSRP and had more features than the Toyota Siena XLE of that time at $28K+.
I wouldn't presume to put the 2005 RL in that category just yet, but I remember my sister looking at a 2004 BMW 525i last December. The $39K base price ballooned to $48K with the addition of a few option packages like automatic transmission ($1250), upgraded tire/rims, and leather and other luxury appointments. With the inane I-drive as a "deal-breaker" and the 184 hp output, no wonder the '04 Acura TL won the day at $34K.
The Lexus LS430 at $54K? That's just a fantasy. Maybe a well-traveled "demo," but not "new." No price wars in my area as there's only one dealer (as is Acura) - the nearest "competitor" is 2500 miles away.
#4034 of 7386 Re: markcincinnati, from way back [formula]
Oct 07, 2004 (12:01 pm)
I have almost always purchased in the first 6 months of the "new year." This video gave me reason to continue.
It almost seems counter intuitive though!
#4035 of 7386 Re: MSRP [prophet2]
Oct 07, 2004 (5:16 pm)
"The Lexus LS430 at $54K? That's just a fantasy"
I had a quote from a Lexus dealer for a new Lexus with a Premium pkg and Smart Access for $54,528, and that was before any negotiation. I suspect I could have gotten the $528 shaved off if I said I was ready to write the check right then.
#4036 of 7386 $54K for a Lexus .......
Oct 07, 2004 (5:23 pm)
Well, goody for you. You should have written that check instead of waiting to get another $528 (1.0%) off.
Maybe it's aged stock. Or, an unpopular color. It may have been sold out from under you since then.
Like I said, in my neck of the woods, only one dealer. And, they don't DEAL on "new" units. Only on demos and service loaners.
#4037 of 7386 Re: $54K for a Lexus ....... [prophet2]
Oct 07, 2004 (5:32 pm)
Well, actually I just priced it in northern CA for the 2004 LS430 (prem + smart access) = $55253 (fair market price). Invoice at around $50,000. MSRP at $58K+. An offer at $54K is entirely possible. But, I am talking about 2004 model here. Were you?
Back to RL:
Legend is released today in Japan. A lot of news on
You may use worldlingo.com to browse the whole site in "machine translated" English.
The key news I found.
Honda is projecting
6000 units in Japan (1000 units already claimed for).
20,000 units in USA. RL is to be released on the 14th in USA.
#4038 of 7386 Re: markcincinnati, from way back [markcincinnati]
Oct 07, 2004 (5:42 pm)
Here's the justification for knocking down the MSRP(emphasis on suggested): Assuming dealer cost of 10% less than MSRP on a $50k car, and the dealer only has the car in inventory(and thus a bank carrying loan) for 3 days--the dealer is making a whopping 1,366% ANNUALIZED return on his investment(ignoring his overhead costs). Change the scenario to 30 days in inventory, and the ANNUALIZED return drops, but is STILL 137%! Now: change the mark-up profit on dealer cost to, say, $1,500. The ANNUALIZED returns on the respective examples above are STILL 410% and 41%, respectively. The large volume discounting dealers understand the dynamics of this math, and that's why they keep getting BIGGER! It's simple inventory logistics of "turns". I don't know about you, but I don't make anywhere NEAR that type of return on any of my investments--and I don't intend to help anyone else achieve it, either!
#4039 of 7386 Re: $54K for a Lexus ....... [ceric]
Oct 07, 2004 (5:59 pm)
"I'm talking about a 2004"
Yes, this was in May for a 2004 that they would get in the color combo I wanted via dealer trade (so, not demo, unpopular color, etc.). I didn't do the deal because I just wasn't sure I wanted a LS430 with RWD in Michigan. We've had RWD and AWD vehicles and the next car we get will have AWD.
The Grand Rapids Acura dealer has presold the first 7 RL's they will get and has started a "waiting list".
#4040 of 7386 '05 RL vs. '04 LS430 ........
Oct 07, 2004 (7:51 pm)
Well, we don't have the kind of weather that will make the RWD vs. AWD discussion that critical. But, it would sure feel great to be driving the AWD-equipped RL - nothing like being up-to-date as far as technology goes. I'd definitely pick the '05 RL over the '04 LS430.
That Grand Rapids dealer will deservedly make a lot of "coin" on those pre-sold RLs. The way I see it, the RL is a hell of a lot of car for $50K. There's a lot of "balance" in the make-up of the car. Honda has been known for that all these years. They don't always have the huskiest-sounding engine, the most HP, the quietest interior, the best MPG, handling and riding dynamics, etc., but seem to be near the top in all categories. Throw in the inoffensive though non-inspired (to some) styling and you've got a winning combination
#4041 of 7386 Opulent Blue Pearl
Oct 07, 2004 (8:04 pm)
Yes, I'm still suffering from a color conundrum! I talked to a dealer in Georgia who said that the Opulent Blue Pearl was a "gorgeous" color - almost black in appearance. Have any of you guys seen it? Your thoughts?
#4042 of 7386 my 2 cents
Oct 07, 2004 (8:24 pm)
I'll be honest, i'm not a honda/acura fan. I do envy the quality, craftmenship that go into these cars, but i despise their lack value for the price or extra price for name tag philosophy.
But this is a serious car the RL. My friends dad ordered it and i got to ride in it on a test drive at the dealers, and i was truly amazed. With the TL theres this little stuggle off the line, and you just know this. But this car with its revolutionary AWD, this aint a problem no more. I think basically this AWD put this car and future Acura cars on the map.
This car is twice the interior, refinement, gadetary, design the TL is, and the TL already is very good at those department, with some speaking that its overall a notch better compared to the likes of BMW 3 series or Audi A4. So with this i believe this car the RL will have orders more than they are capable of making them.
This car is relatively cheaper than the 330i and 5 series, but the best part is, its somewhere in between it.
I thought all along acura would finally build all their sedans RWD(like s2000), but they went beyond with this AWD add on.