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#3589 of 7386 Re: Acura RL article here on edmunds.com [markcincinnati]
Sep 08, 2004 (9:48 am)
I was left with the same impression.
My initial expectation for the new RL is that it would at least compete with the performance and luxury of the outgoing models. In the case of the A6, the chassis goes back to 98 and the 3.0 engine goes back to 2002.
With the other new models out now, I would not expect to see the new 2005 A6 review to state it handles better than the 04 RL or the 04 530; or have Audi set up a comparision of their new model with previous models.
All that being said...the RL does appear to be a giant leap forward, and apparently it leaped over the pervious generation competition.
#3590 of 7386 Re: Surprised [pg48477]
Sep 08, 2004 (9:50 am)
The Car and Driver last said of Cadillac CTS, Vs BMW 5 series, ďthis is the way a BMW should driveĒ
#3591 of 7386 mark, ivan
Sep 08, 2004 (9:54 am)
thanks for adding the negative aspects of the discussion, this place was getting too sweet. life has to be balanced.
#3592 of 7386 Re: mark, ivan [ksoman]
Sep 08, 2004 (11:14 am)
I agree...sometimes you need to add a little spice to get the full flavor.
#3593 of 7386 Re: [nebraskaguy] Canadian pricing vs. US [gnarly]
Sep 08, 2004 (11:56 am)
The GST is added TO the price of whatever it is you're buying in Canada - it is not part of the price. But not only does someone add the GST [which is 7% - like you said] each province [except for Alberta] has its' own PST. [Provincial Sales Tax] In British Columbia [where I live] the PST increases depending upon the cost of the car you're buying. A car with an msrp of up to $47,000 the PST is 7.5%. [the base rate - which is the same for all other purchaes] A car with an msrp of between $47,000 and $47,999 - the PST is 8%. Between $48,000 and $48,999 - the PST is 9%. Anything above $48,999 is taxed at 10%. Sound stupid? It is!! So if I bought a new RL - I'd have to pay $69,500 PLUS 17.0% TAX. YIKES!! But at least all of those tax dollars are being spent wisely - so that's nice!! lol
#3594 of 7386 Re: [robertsmx]
Sep 08, 2004 (12:10 pm)
>A better way to add more power and torque to the RL would likely come in the form of a supercharger. We may see superchargers running 5-6 psi and delivering 400 HP or more from the 3.5/V6 and maximum torque output would also jump to 340-350 lb.-ft.<
Before someone actually put a supercharger on top of it, one better makes sure the new tranny is up for the extra torque. 100ft-lb increase in torque is not a small increase. Anyone has the info on how much torque can the tranny handle? I guess we will have that info when new RLs are available in shops.
#3595 of 7386 Re: [nebraskaguy] Canadian pricing vs. US [gnarly] [canadacraig]
Sep 08, 2004 (1:05 pm)
I posted here a while ago when I first saw the RL Canadian pricing on the Canadiandriver wedsite. At C$69,500 (which works out to about US$53,500), the RL is approaching the likes of Lexus GS430 and Infiniti M45, both of which have V8 engines. I currently own a 2001 3.2CL Type S and was looking to move up to the new RL. However, at C$69,500, I am very tempted to consider the new GS or M45. Another vehicle in consideration is the Infiniti FX45 which also has AWD and loaded, it costs around C$67,000. I am not sure where Acura wants to position the RL but I always thought the Acura brand stands for outstanding cars at great value. That's why I bought the CL when it first came in in April 2000. I was hoping the same may apply to the new RL but I am not so sure.
#3596 of 7386 Re: Hmmm [ksoman]
Sep 08, 2004 (1:18 pm)
It could be that Acura is making really great cars. The RL is exceptional in many ways - even if you're looking for things to hate it still comes off as an excellent car. It's fine to be critical but part of that is knowing when something simply deserves praise.
#3597 of 7386 Re: [nebraskaguy] Canadian pricing vs. US [gnarly] [canadacraig] [micartie]
Sep 08, 2004 (1:19 pm)
In price comparisons, donít forget features. Otherwise, at $40K, the current GS300 sounds like a steal compared to a BMW 530i at $56K. That is, until you realize what you get for the money, starting with cloth interior and halogen lamp. 2004 Lexus GS with all the frills approaches $46K. Add $2K for AWD, and there you go! A GS300/AWD w/NAV would cost as much as GS430. To most buyers, V8 isnít a must have, and they seek the six banger.
The current Lexus GS430 starts at CDN$ 69.5K in Canada (USD 48K) but besides 4.3/V8, do you get the stuff that RL comes with? AWD isnít an option, audio system upgrade and navigation (available?) would increase the price too. These are standard features in RL.
Comparably loaded (premium audio, AWD, Navigation system), the new Lexus GS300 and Infiniti M35 would likely cost about the same. Ultimately, it is the rest of the characteristics of the car that will help a buyer decide. Even there, I suspect, the RL will ride better than M35 but not as softly as GS300.
#3598 of 7386 Re: Acura RL article here on edmunds.com [markcincinnati]
Sep 08, 2004 (1:28 pm)
The cursory mention of such competitor as BMW, Audi and Mercedes Benz was not intended as a comparison test, only an expression of amazement that the RL (or any Acura really) could hold its own against the traditionally sportier European brands - something that would have been inconceivable just four years ago.