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Acura RL, Sedan
Aug 13, 2004 (2:39 pm)
1. How much will the M45 cost?
No one knows for sure, but I expect a similarly equipped M35 AWD to MSRP for about the same as the RL. The M45 will probably be about $2000 more expensive, similarly equipped (without AWD).
2. When will it hit the showrooms for sale?
Expected March 2005.
3. How's the horsepower and handling?
340hp for the M45, 280+ for the M35 (probably more). Not many pre-production tests, but one review said that that the M is a much more solid handling car than the G35, and the G is no slouch.
4. How is Infiniti's reliability - lately?
Second only to Lexus, according to surveys.
5. Resale value -- still less than Acura?
The G and the FX have one of the best resale values in their class.
6. Any chance that they will tone down the "Jetson's" style dashboard control panel?
7. Is this a worthy "adversary" of the RL, handling and performance wise, or is this car a plush ride in a svelte suit?
Remains to be seen, but IMO, it will give the RL a run for its money, especially if equipped with the active rear suspension (Sport models.)
#3344 of 7386 Good bye Acura, Hello Infiniti?
Aug 13, 2004 (10:28 pm)
Just spend a good half hour looking at the new Infiniti M35 (V6 AWD). Wow! The styling, the colors, the interior -- all are superlative. Ventilated seats - yay! The leather and the wood trim are elegant indeed.
I have to say that I love the looks, I love the features, and can't wait to test drive it. Assuming it has seats in the non-sport version that a big guy can sit in, this could be goodbye to Acura and hello to Infiniti!
#3345 of 7386 Re: Good bye Acura, Hello Infiniti? [legendman]
Aug 14, 2004 (6:59 am)
Wow, coming from someone named Legendman that's big news! Glad to hear the new M car strikes you this positively. Looking forward to hearing your review once you've test driven the vehicle.
I've had Infiniti/Nissan cars since '88 and have always enjoyed great reliability. I have a 98 I30t with 120K miles and it's been flawless...still drives/looks new so I'm not in the immediate market for a new car. I'm looking forward to stepping up the "fun" factor some while keeping the same high level of reliability and have my eyes on the new M car as well as the new RL from Acura.
I have to say with all the years of great service from my Nissan cars I do slant towards staying with that family...funny how that happens and that's what the companies count on. The RL does appeal as do Lexus products. Guess I'm a fan of Japanese vs. German/Euro as reliability is more important to me than fun but seems like the fun is getting more and more into the Japanese cars....
Will look for your road test review, thanks!
#3346 of 7386 Re: Good bye Acura, Hello Infiniti? [oman9]
Aug 14, 2004 (2:37 pm)
Oman (and others):
What has been your experience as regards negotiating your actual purchase price with Infiniti cars? Did you find the dealer willing (or eager) to give discounts and if so, how much?
Any sense of what we might expect to see (discount wise) in March 2005 when the new M hits the showroom, and, a bit later in April or May 2005?
#3347 of 7386 Re: Good bye Acura, Hello Infiniti? [legendman]
Aug 14, 2004 (5:16 pm)
I can tell you about my one Infiniti purchase back when I purchased my 1998. I had no trade in, was coming in with cash. I got my black on black which was in inventory (I wasn't as picky with this purchase in terms of equipment as I will be with the next...besides I don't think there was a whole lot to choose from once I decided I wanted a touring model and they added the CD changer in the trunk and chrome wheel plating which they did after I made the purchase, some process that has held up well).
Basically I stopped in one late afternoon and after a few minutes of the salesman trying to be a salesman (nice guy, just trying to do his job I guess) I asked for the sales manager. I walked into his office (this sales manager still works here as the manager 7 years later although the dealership is under new ownership) and within 3 minutes we agreed upon $800 over invoice since I was getting an appealing black on black combo.
I was pleased with the speed and forthrightness of this manager. I talk to him every so often when I'm getting my car serviced.
This dealership has undergone several changes including the ownership change and the G35. The G35 changed the dynamics of the dealership because their customer base doubled overnite and service slipped along with not being as customer friendly as the original ownership team.
Long reply to a question you may not have been asking re: my experience...but I think your answer comes down to 1) How popular the M car will be and 2) How friendly/straight shooting the individuals you will find at your local Infiniti dealers. Also I would hope that if I went to my guy, same sales manager I used in '97, I have a relationship with him I could leverage.
How much would I save over the guy coming in off the street? Probably in the hundreds, not too much but I guess it all counts. My guy knows I've taken my car to his dealership for every single maintenance, very regular schedules...don't miss a maintenance. This translates into good business for them over the long haul.
If this M car is anything like some of the reports I've read here that it handles better than the G and looks as good as you say it does Legendman, then I expect dealing might be tough initially.
Last point re: negotiating. See, for me I set a number based on dealer invoice. I understand they also make money on the reserve and can make more depending on volume #s per month etc. So they are actually making 2 to 3 points more than just the amount over their invoice. Once I know my number there won't be any dealing from my end, that's why my Infiniti purchase took about 3 minutes. I wasn't going to play games with the salesman. The manager knew I was about to leave unless he showed up, knew I was there to buy a car and not "just looking", knew I was fair, I knew he was fair and we figured it out quickly.
Aug 16, 2004 (9:08 am)
<< How much will the M45 cost? >>
If you dig deep enough on the Infiniti site, you'll see that a comparably equipped M45
Base V6 AWD = $45,400.
Journey Package = $2750
Tech Package (requires Journey Pkg) = $4000
(The M45 includes climate control front seats, Intelligent Cruise Control, Lane Departure Warning that the RL probably won't have).
Total M45 price: $52,150
Aug 16, 2004 (5:41 pm)
That is the M35 AWD.
Also, those prices are just "feelers" to gauge public reaction.
Won't the RL have Intellicruise and Climate seats as well?
Aug 16, 2004 (6:48 pm)
Not sure about Climate Control seats, but Intelligent Cruise control was part of the concept. Acura could offer more than they showcased in the production RL. I'm hoping for CMS/e-Pretensioner system, if not LKAS (Honda's version of Lane Keep Assist offered in Japanese Accord and Inspire).
#3351 of 7386 OT, but interesting...
Aug 17, 2004 (5:06 am)
I just read that all '05 MB S-Class models will come standard with 4-MATIC (AWD).
#3352 of 7386 wow i hate the M video
Aug 17, 2004 (5:36 am)
Back at the NY Auto show, I actually liked the M far better in real life compared to the RL, looks to looks comparo... but in the video it looks kinda stupid to me. That video really turned me off completely on the M.... ugh. I hate myself now. I'm a bad nut...