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You are in the Acura RL
What is this discussion about?
Acura RL, Sedan
Jul 13, 2004 (7:53 am)
Well, then, I think you have made my point. I have not been stranded by my Audis (since 1977). My co-worker has been stranded by his Acura.
I take these with a grain of salt, because my personal recent experiences have not had many bumps in the road and no issues that cause me to be stranded.
So, those of us who have a "particular" predilection for a brand (I, thus far, for Audi) and who have never been stranded are not "off their rockers," likewise, if a Jaguar or Lexus ever left you stranded, it would be the last one you would consider?
For me, this time, I am struggling with yet another characteristic -- value. I have mentioned that I cannot find the value in BMW, even though I have never driven a bad one (actually owned one for almost three years, in fact) -- and I am beginning to think that the $50K RL may be "more car" than a similarly priced A6 (also for '05). Indeed, I actually have been boning up on the GS300 for '06, to make certain I fully consider the "contenders" in the Premium Sporty car market (some 9 months from now).
This forum and the spate of test drives my wife and I have taken, has made my choice less obvious than ever before. A back to back test of the new A6 and RL will hopefully be very revealing.
Another thing I have been able to confirm, the RL will have On*Star and at least for '05 Audi will not. My 2003 allroad does have On*star and I do use it regularly and frequently especially when I travel (generally within 250 miles of Cincinnati). This may be a plus for Acrua and a minus for the Audi too.
So, I remain impressed that I finally found someone who has a long list of problems with his Acura -- like I said before, in an odd way, this indication of less than perfect reliability is, for the Acura, a plus. Indeed, even your comments about your Jaguar hardly make it seem like a car to avoid. In the Jag's case, however, I am less enthusiastic about its styling, so for the mean time, it is "off" my list altogether.
But remember, my list fundamentally may be flawed as I am not even considering any vehicle that cannot be had with AWD. Of course, the Acura passes as does the Audi -- and as you and others have pointed out, there are more AWD variants coming with each passing MY.
Jul 13, 2004 (8:32 am)
Let me make a claim that “I know someone who had a winning multi-million dollar lottery”. What are the chances we all know someone like that in person?
Statistics can help us understand the bigger picture, not personal experience. What, some might call perception, exists for reason(s). Acura RL and Lexus LS have been held high in terms of reliability, and that must be with a reason. It does not mean that 100% of their owners have had cars without trouble.
#3096 of 7386 Problem free cars?
Jul 13, 2004 (10:58 am)
One important fact that people forgot is that you want the cars to have problems as you design them otherwise automobile companies will go out of bussiness already. You make huge profit on aftermarket services. However, what you do not want to see is that the cars have problems within warranties as companies will have to spend money to fix it if they ackowledge that the problems do exist. Also, what contributes to the car problems is the aftermarket services that you have. As whoever work on your car may intentionally tighten the bolt so much that it cracks the panel, so you will have a oil leak, say, after 5,000 miles, and you will come back to spend more money. At the end, it is how much money that you could come up when your car has any problem.
Jul 13, 2004 (1:37 pm)
Does anyone know if Acura is still considering a Hybrid for the RL model. I know there were rumors for the 05 model. Perhaps 06 or beyond.
I really think this would make a great car one of the truly best.
Jul 13, 2004 (6:23 pm)
If the GS350GT offers a hybrid system with more than 300hp, you can pretty much count on Acura to come up with a counter offer. Its clear that their days of sitting quietly and offering half decent cars are over.
Jul 13, 2004 (8:15 pm)
If hybrid happens, I expect it to come around as the initial sales "slow down", meaning, a year or two down the road. It might also depend on reception of Accord Hybrid that would be approaching near-luxury market. Given the compatibility of Honda's IMA system to just about every existing engine the company makes, it wouldn't take much to throw one in the RL.
If there is any argument that can be made against new RL, it would be that the V6 can't match "the low-end torque" of a 4.0-4.5 liter V8. IMA can easily address that.
Jul 13, 2004 (8:34 pm)
Exactly, thats the reasoning for the RX400h as well. Lexus knows its X5, ML, Toureg, and SRX competition all offer V8s, and HSD is the perfect way for them to address the additional power and performance of an 8 while getting a mpg boost, rather than a penalty. I'm quite sure that by the end of the decade, a significant portion of Toyota and Honda's lineups will offer hybrid power, if not have it as standard equipment. Most likely specialty cars like the Prius and Insight will disappear, as they will become redundant.
#3101 of 7386 Re: robertsmx [lexusguy]
Jul 14, 2004 (6:06 am)
I absolutely mirror your statements. Toyota & Honda are definitely in the lead over the hybrids, atleast in the market and they'll keep that going forward and if we cannot finish the Iraq quagmire soon enough, it is indirectly a boost for these companies to keep pushing that envelope of hybrids... and I definitely think each honda & toyota will sport atleast one hybrid variant in each model line up.
#3102 of 7386 Re: robertsmx [lexusguy]
Jul 15, 2004 (11:02 am)
I agree with you in terms of alternative fuel will replace portion of gas need in the future, however, I think people just forget about diesel. As in Western Europe, the cars sold with diesel engines in them is around 44%, and it will be 50% by 2005.
The VW Touareg TDI has a twin turbodiesel V10 engine that produces 310 hps and 500 #-in of torque, and it redlines around 4,400 rpm, and EPA for the car is 17 city/23 highway. I do not think any car with V10 with this much output will have this kind of mpg. Plus, I think diesel is like 30c/g. And from another article I read, it id very common for diesel engine to have average mpg in a range of 35mpg, so if your oil is 18 g., then your driving range would be around 630 miles.
I think by 2006, people will consider to switch to diesel. I know I would give diesel a try.
Jul 15, 2004 (12:14 pm)
Diesel is okay too, but even with all the advancements (not only in terms of output and emissions, but NVH as well), they are still considered inferior to gasoline counterparts. Diesel also makes more sense in some countries (not USA) since it is “a lot” cheaper than “petrol”.
I want to see hybrid technology evolve (and it doesn’t have to be gasoline based, since it could use diesel and some fuel cell prototypes are hybrids as well) and for good reasons. Cars like RL can benefit from it, with added low-end torque (when needed) to curb the “demand” of “must have V8”, and without having to burn more fuel, instead potentially save some besides improvement in terms of emissions. And since cars in this price class are not as price sensitive as are the cars in $15-25K price range, it would be much easier to go with more frills (like, use of ultra capacitor instead of batteries).
I also see possibility of AWD systems using electric motors (several prototypes have been shown) to replace (or compete with) mechanical/electronic AWD systems. Both choices add weight and cost, but only one can improve fuel economy, emissions and add power.