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Jun 28, 2004 (11:42 pm)
Gulp! I can't believe I'm going to say this, but out of those pics I like the Lexus' interior the best.
The RL looks like a kid's car with all that techno-looking stuff. I just don't think buyers of 45K luxury sedans want all that flash in their interiors. They want a conservative, but rich looking interior with all the right features. The Acura's looks overdone and contrived, as if they tried to compensate for something.
The Cadillac just looks plain blah. Ditto for the Audi. Why on earth did Audi go from having a 6-disc in-dash CD play to placing it in the glovebox is beyond me. They were the only German until the 2003 E-Class to have such a setup! Duh.
Strangely enough the A6's interior looks like a BMW 5-Series and a Acura TL, both previous versions that is, mated with each other.
Jun 29, 2004 (12:18 am)
Yeah, I'm not sure about the RL's interior. It's a little overdone IMO.
The Lexus interior is nice too. I actually don't like all the wood all over the place. A little wood is OK, but Lexus doesn't need to kill a tree per car either.
Legendman: good catch on the Infiniti M's CD opener being just in front of the shifter. What a terrible ergonomic decision.
I wish Infiniti would just get rid of their stupid analog clock. The room it takes could be better used to space all the other controls better.
Jun 29, 2004 (2:04 am)
Lexus (much like Jaguar) likes to use lots of wood, they arent raw sports cars, and they dont pretend to be. The black with dark red wood is a bit too dark for me, but I think with a tan interior it would be the classiest of the bunch. The Cadillac looks dated. Its nice and all, just the layout and design look like they came from an early '90s car. The STS doesnt do much for me. I'm sure Mark is going to say the Audi's interior is great, but I just dont buy it. The old car had the best, warmest, most inviting interior in its class. This new.. thing.. looks like it came from Star Trek. The splotches of wood just look out of place.
Jun 29, 2004 (3:47 am)
Not criticizing Lexus interiors. I've never seen a bad Lexus interior.
I'm more into interior ergonomics, being able to see the rpm meter easily, being able to hit the right buttons without losing sight of the road, and having high quality plastics instead of the cheap ones that rattle all the time.
Just my personal preference is all.
Jun 29, 2004 (5:07 am)
Infiniti M35/45 has the worst interior layout. Bold, and different sure it is, but logical it is not.
I'm still a big fan of controls staring at me, rather than me having to look at them. Among all the interiors posted here, the Infiniti has the most truck-like appearance.
The GS interior is okay, but it is nothing different from the norm.
The way the console sits in the RL is a tamed down version of the same Honda has showcased in several concepts lately, and it is a little different, yet quite conventional. I like it the best. Looks more like Saab's than an Audi.
Cadillac interior is nothing to brag about either, but the plastic seems to have the traditional GM feel to it.
I'm disappointed with the A6 interior. Possibly the worst of the bunch.
#3008 of 7386 RL TIRE SIZE
Jun 29, 2004 (5:23 am)
expect the new rl to be equipped with 255 50R 17 WRA kevlar tires.
Jun 29, 2004 (5:45 am)
Nissan's new styles are completely euro influenced.. no wait, they are completely franco influenced. Just live in france for a while and you'll realize how close to the Reanults they look now.
I've personally never been a fan of the Infinity or Nissan badges, I think their quality sux, but in today's lease driven world, i'm the fool because people really give a damn about quality, us few might disagree, but overall, the market statistics speaks for it. Why else would so many VW's and Nissan's be on the road?
For some reason the M looks ugly in the pictures posted here, but the exterior looked better in person compared to a RL as far as the model displayed at the NY Auto show is concerned. In the end, tons of Acura loyalists might return to the RL just cuz they all think the company is roaring lately.
Whether we like it or not, niether the Merc, nor the BMW, nor the Audi, nor the Lexus are really the pinnacle of car-dom... they are just significantly up on the ladder. They really represent the upper-middle class of the car-dom. If you were car-rich, you would be in 150K + rides. But in this upper-middle class too, there is the catching up with joneses.. and there is a definitive pecking order. The Merc reigns for whatever it's worth. The BMW is always dying to be there. The audi is a necessary third. Like it or not... and however well crafted and wonderful the LS430 or similar lexus's might be, it is a 4th in "class". If you had 120K to buy a car, you'd blindly go buy a s600. If you had 110K, you'd blindly go buy a 760iL. If you had 90K, you'd go get a loaded s500, a little less and a 745iL.. and then if you can't pull out all those wads of cash, you'll go with a LS430. That's just the reality of this upper middle class pecking order. The VW paethon, the Inifinity Q45... these are just wannabe's in this segment. Jaguar, its a niche player, but the brand is significantly watered down by the introduction of the X type. It was like a duke marrying a commoner... too sad, as shrek would say it, "they judge me before they even know me"... syndrome mires our world. I own 3. When I step out of the S-tye or the wife's 3 convertible, I have noticed how nice I get treated. When I step out of my old "drive to the station everyday" mitsubishi mirage, people give me the "yeah whatever" treatment... that's life. Acura is nowhere close to the upper middle class of car-dom. They do significantly well in our wannabe category. I think the TSX rides damn well and the TL is wonderful... lets see how much success the RL gives Acura. It surely doesn't look as appealing as a Renault influenced M, but i'd never buy an M when compared to an RL... because overnight stars are almost always fickle.
Jun 29, 2004 (7:57 am)
The new rl in the pictures shown comaparing to the m looks pretty darn good to me. BTW, the m looks good too. Would think the parchment interior in the rl would look better than the picture shown above.
Guess I'm not too concerned about the socio/economic aspects of the ride. if that was my bottom line, then for perception, sadly, mb would still win even to we all know their quality level is less than percieved. of the rides mentioned in this class, there are no dogs in the group, just variations of personal tastes.
#3011 of 7386 Re: Looks [jeff88 #1570]
Jun 29, 2004 (8:39 am)
actually quality becomes moot after a certain point. you don't care either way. That's my perception based on some people I know well who own 100K +/- range cars. Their only issue is headaches and how little will this bother me. But when you drive up to a dealership in a 100K range car, and want something fixed, if you aren't being treated right, with kid gloves, champagne and the stuff, then that dealership wouldn't be in business anyways.
but at half that price point, I think quality plays a big game. I absolutely expect the RL to be better quality, and better than the M.
Jun 29, 2004 (8:39 am)
Great pics lexusguy... your post (#1560) makes it real easy to compare the vehicles. I'll be going back to that post often. Thanks!