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#2656 of 7386 Re: [lexusguy #1214]
Jun 10, 2004 (1:17 pm)
Honda has showcased several hybrids with powerful electric motors. Here are the major Honda Hybrid Prototypes/Concepts showcased over last three years…
2001 Honda Dual Note / 2002 Acura DNX (400 HP/AWD)
3.5 liter DOHC I-VTEC V6: 300 HP
Three Electric Motors (two front “in-wheel” mounted, and one mounted beside the “mid-mounted” gasoline engine): 100 HP
2002 Acura RDX (250 HP/AWD)
2.4 liter DOHC I-VTEC I-4: 190 HP
Two front “in-wheel” mounted electric motors: 60 HP
2003 European Honda Accord Hybrid (350 HP/AWD)
2.0 liter DOHC I-VTEC I-4: 200 HP
Two rear “in-wheel” mounted electric motors: 150 HP
While Honda hasn’t offered a production hybrid with more than 15 HP (Civic Hybrid), it certainly has showcased several prototypes with more powerful electric motors (combinations) than are seen in Civic Hybrid and Insight. The Accord Hybrid is expected to have a 30 HP electric motor.
For a car like RL, even 30 HP would do the magic because the top end is good already, and where the electric motor will really help will be the low end.
BTW, while Honda’s current hybrids use “ultra-thin brushless” DC motors, Honda also makes it very own 80 HP AC motor, developed originally for Honda EV-Plus (electric vehicle) and currently used in FCX (fuel cell vehicle).
#2657 of 7386 Things I'd like to see on the new 05' RL...
Jun 10, 2004 (6:19 pm)
Please join in! Things I'd like to see, and not necessarily in this order:
1. 3.5L DOHC engine
2. 300 ft-lb torque
3. 19-20" wheel/tire option
4. 0-60 in 5.5 seconds
5. Top speed 156 MPH (simply to exceed the volunteer governor-limited 155 MPH top end imposed by some European manufacturers)
6. Skidpad performance of 1.0
7. Maintenance data display that shows number of hours on the engine - extra nice would be percent of time spent in various rpm ranges (does this make sense?)
8. Nav system that could display dvd movies (Disabled if car was moving)
9. Connection conduit to the NAV display system for radar detection devices
10. Passenger seatback that completely folds back (180 degrees)
11. Compartments to conceal goodies (especially one for a KelTec .380mm P3-AT)
12. Audio system capable of playing MP3 files. That way I can listen to custom music and audio books.
13. Power rear seats - simply for the "cool" quotient
#2658 of 7386 Re: Things I'd like to see on the new 05' RL... [shotgun #1217]
Jun 10, 2004 (8:33 pm)
These are a few of my favorite things:
1. Wide, comfortable driver seat that will not pinch or squeeze a 200 lb. man
2. Lose the metal in the center column and replace it with wood
3. Lose the 3 small, round dash gauges and provide instead a one piece luminscent display like in Mercedes S class
4. Lose the BMW 7 series trunk hump and offer clean lines
5. Redesign the front end and make it less bug-eyed
6. Vibrating massaging driver seat
7. Leather wrapped steering wheel - no WOOD wheels!
8. HVAC controls completely independent of the navi system screen
9. Radio that will play cassettes too. I have tons of 'em!
10. Fuel efficiency/fuel saving technology
11. Good exterior color choices -- similar to BMW metallic offerings.
12. Fold down rear seat(s) with trunk access
13. An excellent braking system equivalent to BMW or better.
14. Superlative ABS system equivalant or better than BMW's
15. On-Star or equivalent
16. One year complimentary XM satellite service
17. Robust anti-theft system
#2659 of 7386 Re: Things I'd like to see on the new 05' RL... [legendman #1218]
Jun 10, 2004 (10:45 pm)
Things I like to see available or standard:
1. engine: DOHC 3.5L 300hp/270ft-lb
2. chassis: able to pull at least 0.92g
3. manual transmission - 6 speed
4. hybrid - adding at least 100hp
5. excellent brake (good point legendman!) Acura isn't really famous for excellent brakes.
6. 18" wheels, at least 235mm wide tires.
7. Reliability!!! Otherwise, I could have stayed with my '98 540iA
See, my list is short considering all the known standard/available features.
shotgun, I haven't seen a 3.5L engine naturally aspirated can put out 300ft-lb of torque. Has anyone? Nissan VQ can put out 270ft-lb. By projection, BMW M3 3.2L(255ft-lb) can put out 278ft-lb if increased to 3.5L. I hope to be wrong, though.
#2660 of 7386 Re: Things I'd like to see on the new 05' RL... [ceric #1219]
Jun 11, 2004 (5:21 am)
Ceric, I haven't heard, read about or seen a naturally aspirated 3.5L put out 300 ft-lb either...its simply "wishful" thinking on my behalf. It would be a major engineering feat if Honda/Acura could pull that off. Can you imagine the field day the automotive press would have if Acura came out with a 300HP & 300 ft-lb torque engine and the impact that would have on the performance capability of the RL. On its way to "smokin" most V8's in acceleration and top-end, Honda would lay to rest, for once an all, the criticism showered on it for not offering a V8 - it would become an instant cult "classic". I'm not, by any stretch of the imagination, an automotive technophile, however I do believe there are some engines out there whose ft-lb capacity equals or exceed their HP rating...And finally, you know, "300HP & 300 ft-lbs" simply has a very nice "ring" to it...
#2661 of 7386 Re: Things I'd like to see on the new 05' RL... [legendman #1218]
Jun 11, 2004 (5:32 am)
#2662 of 7386 Re: Things I'd like to see on the new 05' RL... [ksoman #1221]
Jun 11, 2004 (5:49 am)
I would like on the new RL:
1. Most of what the other posts said
2. Heated AND cooled seats
3. Enough head room for a 6'3" guy who wears baseball caps
4. Enough of a price difference from a 2005 a6 4.2 to get my 300+ hp
I believe the RL will come in at about $49k and the a6 at $55-57k.
Jun 11, 2004 (6:11 am)
. . .the new Automobile magazine. The new RL is ON THE COVER. Of course of the 6 (with an honorable mention of an 05 -- AWD available -- Lexus) cars discussed within: 3 German Challengers + the Lexus and the 3 Germans -- Audi A6, BMW 5 and Mercedes E, the conclusion one reaches is that of the three Challengers, the Acura is least well equipped to Challenge (but a nod is given to reliability -- apparently damning with faint praise).
And, of the three Germans, the 5 series is said to be "just a car" unless it is equipped with AS and ARS (which are NOT free).
The conclusion is that the Audi is the most compelling car -- apparently the "one" to beat in 2005.
My read, "read," not necessarily agreement, is that of the 7 cars that were given ink, the Acura is presented as the least likely to succeed since Acura "didn't give the buying public what they [oh so obviously] want."
Furthermore, the Acura is said to have a "less bountiful" electronic cornucopia and is, ultimately, not what the pundits wanted.
We be pundits?
Frankly, the Acura still seems like the Japanese Audi -- of this, at least, Automobile magazine and I are in agreement.
Upon further reflection, however, the sidebar article pertaining to the Lexus GS430 with its 6speed auto and optional AWD (one is led to believe in either the uprated [245HP] V6 or V8) makes it almost as compelling as the author's favorite, the new Cadillac STS. I don't recall Joe Lorio, the author, from previous writings, so I can neither add nor subtract to his analysis by virtue of his reputation or possible agenda.
He seems to be "telling it like he sees it."
The good news, then, would be, if true, the new RL may, sooner, rather than later, be forced to be discounted somewhat more steeply than perhaps "management" would like.
The new A6, on the other hand, has smitten just about every journalist who is given any ink -- period.
Hope the price estimated on the new A6 3.2L is as "friendly" as some of these folks think it will be.
#2664 of 7386 Re: Check out. . . [markcincinnati #1223]
Jun 11, 2004 (6:28 am)
The Automobile magazine article does not bode well for Acura. However, I deem it very presumptuous and unprofessional of the authors to give the new RL such short shrift, not having touched or driven the car...As on past occasions, the editors of Automobile magazine, may find themselves in the unenviable position of doing some serious "backstrokin"...
Jun 11, 2004 (6:56 am)
I stopped reading Automobile awhile ago. Of the four major auto enthusiast magazines in the US, Id rank them as 4th.