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Acura RL, Sedan
Apr 12, 2004 (5:36 pm)
I owned I few American and foreign vehicles over the years. To mention a few : 88 Buick Park Ave , 93 Camry, 95 Maxima, 93 Legend, 2002 TL. I have good memories of Buick being it's the first car I ever owned. It was a very nice ride and had good pick up. Can you believe the car had leather, moonroof, climate control, ABS and memory seats in 1988? But over the years, American cars stayed at the same level with the same 3.8 engine, making 200HP. I have to tell you though, interior quality went down big time. I also owed few Japanese cars, and I have trust in Acura and Lexus. I would also put a down payment on new RL, without seeing the final version of the vehicle.
#1922 of 7386 Chavis comments
Apr 12, 2004 (6:16 pm)
" If you're ready to buy a car that you haven't even in production form, then its true that having money doesn't mean you have brains. "
Well, this reminds me of all the married people who got married before seeing the "production form" of their spouse. I guess we are all guilty of that, having no brain.
Apr 12, 2004 (6:32 pm)
aren't the only people who think it's a MUST to have a v8 in order for a car to be considered a luxury car the ones with more money than brains?
unless i'm towing a boat or if the RL weights a lot more than i think it does than the v8 is not required.
Apr 12, 2004 (7:25 pm)
"Nissan/infiniti did it. Why the hell would a company introduce a V-8 for one car? That is just stupid. The point is a V-8 opens up possibilities for trucks and SUVs. I thought that was obvious, but apparently I was giving too much credit. Acura will never be on the map with the big boys until they have a V-8, it's just that simple. That means no large SUV. That's definitely a market any company would want to be in. You're darn straight I'll be wondering where the V-8 will be in the next NSX. Think about what you just said, 360 hp is good, FOR A V6. It ain't good for the class. Only Porsche can get away with having a 6 in the exotic sports car class. Vette will have 400 standard with a "lowly" pushrod engine 3 times larger than an S2000's, yet returns similiar fuel economy (18/28). Acura will not be able to go any further without a V-8."
You know, maybe you should just accept the fact that Acura doesn't want you as a customer? I mean, Honda's general disdain for big, heavy V8-powered trucks is pretty well known. That's their choice, their corporate philosophy, and they've done very well as a company by appealing to the great many of us who don't need nor want V8-powered trucks to drive to work every morning. With all due respect, who are you to demand Honda to tailor its product offerings to you? When was the last time you bought a V8-powered luxury sedan?
It's nice to see an automaker that pursues a belief system rather than blindly pursuing market share. I mean, anyone can build a V8 but how many people invest in SULEV? I like (and BUY) Honda for those reasons. So do many others. If their desire to stay their course leaves a gap in their product lineup that leaves your heart feeling empty, well, click the little X in the upper right hand corner of this window, get a copy of the classifieds, and go buy a used Camaro. I hear they have V8s, and Chevy has trucks. This should make you very happy. I wish you the greatest of luck with your GS430, S500, 545i, Q45, and/or A8. Meanwhile the rest of us will have to make do with an unprestigious underpowered sedan whose powerplant sadly isn't shared with some trucks
Apr 12, 2004 (8:01 pm)
Very well said gentlemen. People are acting like the RL's V6 will be something like the S2000's or Subie WRX's 4s, where you have to drop the clutch (which there wont be one) at 5,000rpm to get any power. 300hp and "only" 260-280lb ft. of torque? Oh no! Thats horrible! How will it move at all? Take a look at the Ford Freestar vs. the Quest or Sienna. The Ford beats them in torque with the 4.2L engine, yet its meager 201hp means it will lose any stop light race. Or look at the M3 vs. the C32 AMG. The M's "down on torque" brilliant 3.2L N\A engine makes less HP and almost 100lb. ft less torque than the Mercedes supercharged 3.2L, and yet.. the M3 will stomp the C32. What happened? I thought power numbers meant everything? How does a 290hp LS430 stomp a 340hp Q45? In that case, an awesome six speed auto, vs. the Qs sluggish piece of garbage. Who makes some of the worlds best transmissions? Why, Honda does.
#1926 of 7386 What is going on in here????
Apr 12, 2004 (9:15 pm)
Just a couple of things that strike me here:
"To start Acura sold every single unit of NSX it ever produced with V6 in 14 years and don't forget they charged 90K for it. It was never intended to be a muss production vehicle.
The Acura NSX wasn't meant to be a volume car, true, but the car has been a commercial failure, mainly because it has been around in same form for way too many years, because it was a leader back in 1990. However, there is no way Honda wanted the NSX to be the most invisible car in this class. Nobody even looks at the NSX anymore, and Ferrari/Porsche are about 2 generations in design ahead. Of course they sold every one of them (NSX), they aren't bringing any over in the first place!!! When a Ferrari that costs twice as much outsells your competing product you have a problem. The NSX is not exclusive by choice.
Yes Honda engineers are brilliant, but they aren't the only ones. I think BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, Ferrari, Porsche and others have proven to have just as brilliant a group of engineers. I agree that V8 luxury cars don't sell enough for Honda to go there, but at the end of the day in America the land of the Vee-eight, they need one if for no other reason than bragging rights. Will they miss out on a boatload of sales without it, NO. Will Acura's image remain a little below some of the others luxury car players? Yes. Not going to get into where I think the nameplates place.
The next NSX will no doubt be a piece of work, but a 360hp V6 (where did you get that number?) isn't going to mean much unless the car is super-light. Think about it the Ferrari 360 Modena came out in 1999 with 400hp and was seen as the car to beat, now Ford, Lamborghini and Porsche have all answered with 550hp, 493hp, and 477hp (GT, Gallardo, 911GT2) respectively. The standard now is 500hp and Honda will be hard pressed to match these cars when not measuring handling. Watch the updated 360 Modena push 480hp+.
One thing is true though; the Q45 and M45 in their current forms wouldn't have sold better with a V6, I6, straight-8 (well maybe) or a V12. The many reasons why this is have been stated by me and others a many times before so no need to do that here.
All I can say is go sit in the CTS and then compare it to a TSX or TL, the Cadillac just doesn't feel all of one piece or as well put together as the Acuras. I can't believe you and 1487 are still at this in another topic (and Acura topic no less), and just like I stated in the E-Class topic, the GM rhetoric isn't going to fly here either. Sure some of the rhetoric here is over the top (on both sides), but people know better when things are obvious like build quality.
Apr 12, 2004 (9:51 pm)
Is the 3.5 in the RL an upgraded version of the engine in the Pilot/MDX/Odyssey? Or is it a brand new engine?
Apr 13, 2004 (3:30 am)
Merc, my cousin just recentely purchased a TSX, so I've been in it. What's the big deal. It looks nice, nothing to fancy. Just a bunch of silver plastic all over the place which I guess is the norm. I think the "quality" is exaggerated. Nothing wrong with the interior but nothing that made me say wow, this is a fine quality interior. Secondly, I never said anything about the CTS or its interior being better than anything else. According to you, the "GM rhetoric" won't even fly in a GM topic so you can save your breath.
Apr 13, 2004 (3:38 am)
GM supporters never get the subjectives or details on anything even when it comes to interiors I guess. Everything looks ok and what not, no difference from one car to the next.
Oh and the GM rhetoric does fly in the GM topics where everything GM rules...only in that delusional world. Hey, I'm not the one that needs to save my breath, check the title of the thread and then look at your posts, you're the one that could have saved at lot of breath (typing) so far, not me.
#1930 of 7386 Pot, meet kettle...
Apr 13, 2004 (4:31 am)
"Let me guess, you're one of those people who is all caught on specific output which has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with performance or economy..."
Okay. Engine specs don't matter.
"...The point is, they are options and they have V-8s that put to shame any V-6."
But the number of cylinders does?!?!