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Acura RL, Sedan
#1740 of 7386 gteach26
Mar 23, 2004 (11:49 pm)
Well that is the Honda/Acura way. If you think the wait on the RL has been long, you should see what the NSX guys have been going through up until Acura/Honda finally showed a concept car in that direction, they've been waiting for something, anything from Honda about the NSX for more years than RL fans.
I'll bet a paycheck on New York being THE show for either an RL concept or the actual introduction or the finished product. The 1996 RL was introduced there too I think.
If not then the new RL won't be here anytime soon, you'll have to wait until the autoshow season starts again in Sept (Paris).
Mar 24, 2004 (1:20 am)
I dont agree. The reason that the current RL is a sales flop is because its an also-ran car, and its extremely dated, both in its exterior and interior design. An accord EX V6 makes more hp. Yes the $30K entry lux market is huge, but that market is also saturated with at least 15 or so competitors. The $40-50k mid lux market might not be as big as a whole, but there's MUCH less cars out there to contend with. With the new RL, Acura primarily has to worry about fighting GS, and whenever Nissan introduces the next M35\45, as the current car is a sales disaster, and to a lesser extent the 5, E, and A6. I think German shoppers are less likely to consider Acura than Lexus\Infiniti shoppers. The new RL will (supposedly) have 300hp, and AWD, which GS\M aint got. If Honda can undercut them in price, which most Acura cars already do, they could do pretty well. Neither the next GS or M will have a hybrid engine choice.
Mar 24, 2004 (1:29 am)
The RL's biggest problem has been the TL-S and now the new generation TL. There was/is virtually no reason at all to buy a RL over the TL, none. Model year 1999 was the beginning of the end for the RL, it was rendered obsolete as the new TL took off. I've never seen a luxury brand who's entry level car humiliates their supposed to be top-of-the-line car.
Acura has to do a new RL for 2005, if not the current RL will slide completely off the map this year.
I've said it before...when all three German competitors A6/E/5 are redesigned before the Acura product there is something wrong as the Germans are the ones who usually go for the 6-7 year product cycle. The RL is in its 9th model year! That is an eternity for a great design and even longer for a lackluster one, which is what the RL was in the beginning, especially compared with the 1995 Legend GS.
That said, I like the idea of a 300hp AWD V6 RL. You know this V6 will be one of the best going and the interior should be fabulous, if the new TL is anything to go by and they should be trying to top it in that area. It is the styling that worries me.
Lets just face it, Acura isn't going to do a rwd V8 sedan.
Mar 24, 2004 (2:58 am)
It makes sense for them to be different. A lot of Acura's success comes from their "with or without nav" option sheet, which nobody else really does. The only other Japanese luxury car (sold in the US) with 300hp and AWD is the FX45, which is not really an RL competitor. The next GS300 is supposed to have AWD, but I hear that the V8 will not get it. It will be intersting in particular to see how the new GS 240hp 3.0L contends with the RL, as they will probably be closer in price than the GS430. The GS300 is Lexus' volume car in that segment (it outsells the GS430 by at least 4:1) so if the RL can beat them there, they could be looking at a great success. The AWD thing really has to be a given, even Honda who is easily FWD's strongest supporter has realized that there is a hp wall for FWD cars, and the TL bumped into it. If Nissan and Honda continue their horsepower war with each other, I think a lot of traditionall FWD cars like the Maxima and TL could end up AWD.
Mar 24, 2004 (4:27 pm)
Do you think Acura will come up with vehicle competing with 745, s500 and LS430?
Mar 24, 2004 (7:56 pm)
not if they want to actually sell it.
#1746 of 7386 lexusguy
Mar 24, 2004 (9:49 pm)
Good points, I agree. My mom bought a 1987 Maxima back in August of 1986, it had 160hp and costs 17K with everything except leather and a sunroof. A fully loaded Maxima then was about 19-20 I think. Today's car has 265hp and can run 35K! Times change. If they keep up the power games with the front drivers they'll have to go awd to contain it.
Maybe in 10-15 years, in short not anytime soon. Honda is still very small company, though it doesn't seem like it. They simply don't have the resources to do a car like an S-Class or 7-Series, especially since those cars require two thing Honda obviously has no interest in; a V8 and RWD. Even if Honda has the cash to do such a car, their smaller/greener is better mentality will make such a car hard to justify.
Mar 24, 2004 (10:44 pm)
Agreed totally. A LS430, 745 competitor from Acura is pretty much out of the question. It is fairly easy to adapt an existing FWD platform to AWD, just look at what Ford did with the FWD Moneo to make a Jaguar X-type. If Honda were to build a new full size V8 luxury car, they would have to build a completely new engine, AND a completely new platform, which they definitely are not going to do. None of Honda's 3.0, 3.2, or 3.5L engines are new, Honda just keeps working their magic on them to make them produce more and more horsepower. (Honda is the best in the world at horsepower gains with zero increase in displacement). A new V8 and platform would just cost Honda money they dont have, and there has never been any evidence that Honda would want to enter that market anyway. Nissan has tried to for 15 years with the Q45, and it has never worked.
Mar 30, 2004 (8:46 am)
you might want to delete your post and just make your address public in your profile, or replace the sign with the word AT. Spammers mine these boards for e-mail addresses!