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Acura RL, Sedan
Jan 01, 2003 (11:08 am)
Incidentally, the 99TL with the 4-speed has gear ratios that were higher (numerically lower) than the 2000 onward TL, except in the 5th gear ratio of the 2000 onward TL/TL-s (which was non-existent in the 99TL), which essentially means that the 00+ TL would accelerate much better than the 99 TL (0.8 secs improvement in 0-60) while getting better mileage (improved from 27mpg to 29mpg hwy mileage) in the higher overdrive gears. The changes into the intake manifold (along with other changes) improved the low-end and the mid-range response tremendously (over the 99s) which enabled them to shoot out from the line rapidly, while maintaining very good mileage when cruising. It was almost as if the 99TL was a stop-gap measure from Acura, while they were developing the 5-speed transmission (also usable by a variety of other Acuras) which was not really complete, when the 99 TL went to the market.
Also, the new Accord is a brand-new design thus have the side-curtain airbags/voice activated Navigation technology/Dual zone climate etc. The upcoming TL (based off of the global midsize platform from which the Accord/TL draws most of their mechanical components) would have every bit of that and much more. I wonder when that TL comes out, where would that leave the RL ?? Assuming that the RL remains the same without being redesigned? Technically, Acura could have introduced the new 2004 TL a couple of months before the Accord (since they share a platform) - like Toyota did with the ES300/Camry -but they did not and are introducing it a few months later with even more technology. Either way, little damage done. The rear camera is essentially a gimmick with a camera above the rear bumper connected to the Navigation screen...there is no "technology" involved there. The Hybrid technology is an "unusual technology" and not a "premium technology", used essentially to improve mileage, due to which it was rightly introduced in the low-end models, whose buyers are more demanding of mileage improvements than premium car buyers. But side-curtain airbags ? Voice activated Navigation ? Dual-zone climate controls ? High-tech 5-speed transmission ? Powerful high-tech engines ? Those are premium stuff and are rarely introduced in low-end models when the high-end models lack it.
I think the new Acura sedans would be the Acura TSX (essentially a re-badged smaller/sportier European Honda Accord) and the new TL (based off of the new Honda Accord but with much better features/technology/power basically putting the new Accord in its place in the pecking order, below the TL). I really hope they also introduce a kick-azz new Acura RL too, thus quieting all its critics.
#1094 of 7386 More '04 RL Info
Jan 03, 2003 (2:47 pm)
I stopped by an Acura dealer during lunch today and the salesman reluctantly informed me that the '04 RL will be out around March/April this year and that the nav will be standard on all RLs. He also said '03 production had ended so preparations are being made to produce the '04s. This was after he tried hard to convince me to buy one of the many '02 RLs still on their lot.
When the '04 RL comes out, remaining '02 RLs may be available for a little over $30K. So if anyone is considering an '02, I would wait a few more months. Just my $.02.
Hunter001, as a result, I think the second Acura sedan that will be unveiled at the NAIA show will be the '04 RL.
We'll see next week!!
Jan 05, 2003 (7:52 pm)
making navigation standard is ridiculous...I still know how to read a map, and would not pay $2000 just for some silly screen to guide my way...even as a male, I could stop and ask directions (altho how would I come down off my high horse and actually do that???...LOL)
Jan 05, 2003 (8:05 pm)
naias.com is down. But so far, the only buzz concerning Acura is the TSX debut. Edmunds say the TL & RL are due for upgrades in 2004, which means they'll most likely be unveiled in the Fall of 2003. That also concurs with previous rumors that the TL will be unveiled in the Fall and not in the Spring.
Jan 06, 2003 (7:57 am)
Honda often does the big releases in the Spring to catch interest when other companies aren't in the limelight. And they like their 'leaks' often dragging out and building "suspense" around a model release. They love us to keep wondering ...
which I'm doing.
#1098 of 7386 Oil, gasoline and cabin filter?????
Jan 11, 2003 (1:17 pm)
I have a '00 RL with almost 30,000 miles on it. Will someone help me understand the following:
OIL: The manual and literature I continually receive from American Honda Motor tell me to "insist on Acura Genuine oils and fluids." Specifically, they advise that the "correct" motor oil is Acura's "all season blend of highly refined mineral base oils combined with Acura's unique chemical additive package."
At the three nearest dealerships I asked what oil they use. One uses Pennzoil w/ no additive, the second uses Kendall w/ no additive, and the third (75 minutes away) uses Acura w/ additive. The two service departments don't even stock the company brand. Although I personally believe that any name brand motor oil of the proper weight is perfectly acceptable, what's the story with the dealers?
Does American Honda know dealers do this or do they not care? If this is the situation with motor oil, what about transmission fluid, brake fluid, etc.?
GASOLINE: I park the RL in an attached garage. Often it will sit 3-5 days without being started. As I am not a high performance driver, I've tried 89 octane. When I start it after several days of non-use and 89 octane in the tank, it acts like I'm feeding it a mix of 50% water!! For the first minute it misses badly and the fumes of raw gas are pungent. When I'm running 92/93 octane this has never occurred after 3-5 days.
I've tried this several times with 89 octane of different brands and I get the same result. It only occurs after the RL sits several days with 89 octane, and never with 92 or 93 octane. After the first minute following start up, both octanes perform very similarly. The temperature in the garage didn't vary significantly during these start-ups. I've come to the conclusion that the 89 octane gasoline sold around my neck of the woods is neutered to something much less than that!
AIR CONDITIONING FILTER: I'd like to change the air conditioning filter (also known as the cabin filter). What's the procedure? In an effort to generate more income, the manual simply advises to have the dealer change it. I don't think so. A local parts house carries a premium cabin filter for this RL for $23.00.
Can anyone enlighten me on any of these matters? Thanks.....
Jan 11, 2003 (6:16 pm)
Oil: You're right, there's no difference. Acura probably has a licensing agreement with some oil company that permits them to put another label on it, or maybe they do it for them. Kind of like changing labels on fad beers; there are companies that specialize in these things. You can save significant money by doing the oil changes yourself, if that's what you're interested in. The brand is no where near as significant as it is to change it according to a regular schedule.
Gasoline: You will be much happier if you use 91 octane or higher. The ECU is resetting itself, most likely, to be able to handle the lower octance by adjusting the spark to compensate. While it's going through its program, your car acts like an old Plymouth. The car can handle regular gas, but your performance is reduced and the car isn't as happy. In my opinion (many disagree) this is an "pennywise, pound foolish" area to economize in -- you spent quite a bit of money to buy the car. If you spend a few cents more/gallon, over the course of the year you save maybe a hundred dollars or so. Figure it out.
A/C filter: sorry, I can't help with that. But I'll bet you can pay the dealer to do it with what you save by changing your own oil a couple of times. Or you can buy a service manual, available on order via Barnes & Noble or probably online.
Jan 14, 2003 (6:50 pm)
How to access/replace your A/C filter
I will be held responsible if something goes wrong using my steps so I highly recommend getting service manual. (I didn't use the manual because I watched my dad do it, but its a lot easier with it).
Short Phillips Screwdriver (needed to remove the fabric in the glovebox)
2 A/C filters
1. Move the passenger seat as far back as possible.
2. Open the glove box and unscrew the 3 plastic screws that hold up the fabric in the glove box. Carefully pull back the fabric to get access behind it. The washers attached to the fabric are plastic and fragile. If you can reach around the back of the fabric, it may be easier to remove.
3. Once the fabric is out of the way, you will see a cable. At the end of the cable is a latch with 2 levers poking at you. Squeeze the left lever and it should pop out the entire plastic square that is connected to the cable.
4. There are 2 screws at the bottom of the glove box that need to be removed. If you lie on the floormat and look up under the glovebox, you'll see the 2 screws; one on the far left and far right. They act as the glovebox anchor.
5. In the glove box on the sides are plastic anchors that hold the wheel used to help the glove box move in and out. The other sides of the anchor are clips. Squeeze the clips and pop out the wheel anchor. With one wheel popped out, you can remove the glove box panel. On the left you'll see a wire connection. Disconnect that to completely remove the glovebox panel. (The connection is for controlling the trunk release on the driver side door).
6. Once the door is removed, you'll see a black panel. There are 3 screws to remove. Two are on each sides of the glovebox hindge. The third is a single screw by itself facing you if looking straight ahead and down.
7. Once the 3 screws are removed, you'll need to pull off the cover. The black cover is held in place by 4 clips (2 on the far left and 2 on the far right hidden behind the cover) that fasten the black panel in place. I pull the bottom
towards me first to get those clips off and then pull the top to pop off the top clips.
8. Once the cover is removed you will see a white plastic panel that you can remove to get access to the filter.
9. Once the white panel is removed, you can pull out the bracket. I believe if you press the "Fresh Air button", it makes it easier to get the bracket out. (It might be the Recirculate button, but not 100% sure). Just remember which way the bracket is facing so you remember how to put it back in.
10. Once you get the bracket out, you can swap out the filter.
11. With the bracket back in, push back the white cover.
12. Line up the clips on the black cover and snap that back in. Put the 3 screws back that you took out.
13. Line the left wheel into its slot and snap back the anchor for the right wheel after its in its slot. (I removed the right wheel earlier)
14. Pull the cable as far as you can and hold it with your right thumb. Use your right index finger to locate the hole and use your left hand to insert the square cable clip back into that hole.
15. Reconnect the trunk release.
16. Clip the fabric back into place. Be careful, the washers are very fragile can can easily break (trust me. ). Once they are in place, use the 3 screws (removed earlier) to keep the fabric in place.
17. Reconnect the 2 screws that anchor the glovebox door at the bottom.
Where can I get filters for $23. My dealer sells them at $80 a piece.
#1101 of 7386 Dealer Incentive on '03 RL
Jan 15, 2003 (7:47 am)
Just in case anyone would love a great deal on the few '03 RL's built, the dealers now get $3500 from the factory for each one they sell. This dealer incentive expires Feb 28th. Does this tell us something about the new '04 release date??
Also, the '03 CL's have a $1000 dealer incentive which expires March 31st.
Finally, if you have the really deep pockets and want an '02 NSX, a $7500 incentive will expire on March 31st also.
Jan 15, 2003 (8:31 am)
Are there any incentives on the 2003 TL?