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#7618 of 8465 Next Gen Camry
Apr 03, 2005 (4:53 pm)
I believe the speculation regarding the arrival of the next generation Camry surrounds the launch of the 2007 Lexus ES350, which many Lexus dealer management teams have been told will be out in mid Spring 2006. Given that the two share platforms, it would make sense for a new Camry to debut around that time.
While it is true that the 2007 redesign will be more along the lines of the 1997 makeover, I suspect more substantial changes will be made for the 2007 vehicle vs. the 2002-2006 than were made for the 1997 Camry vs. 1992-1996. The marketplace is much more competitive this time around, and Toyota needs to recognize that said competition is providing more car. I expect the 4 cylinder will feature the enhanced VVT system that includes variable valve timing on the intake and exhaust sides, which would reap benefits in power and efficiency. Toyota has moved its new V6 family to this technology (the Avalon's 3.5L, the GS300's 3.0L, etc) already. In my opinion, Toyota needs to get the 4 cylinder model in the range of 170-180hp (with static or better fuel economy) to remain competitive for the next 5 years.
The V6 (3.0L, 210 hp unit) of the current car will be joining the old 2.2L in the anals of Camry engine history. That said, it remains to be seen whether the new V6 family will show up in the 3.0L or 3.5L sizing, because at this point, its all speculation. Me personally, I'd like to see the LE and XLE V6s use the 245 hp 3.0L V6 and the SE trim use the Avalon's 280hp 3.5L. But that might be a bit complex for TMMK.
I would also expect a significantly upgraded interior design (re: center stack), as well as the addition of side curtain airbags as standard (if this doesnt happen for the 2006 model year). Given the Camry's current size, I dont think we will see much of an increase, especially now that the Avalon is in a great position as Toyota's clearly defined and luxurious flagship.
Should be interesting.
#7619 of 8465 Re: 07 Camry coming in Spring 06 [mi_sat]
Apr 03, 2005 (4:55 pm)
Toyota has never shown a Next-Gen Camry or Corolla at an Auto Show, though this doesnt necessarily mean it can't happen.
#7620 of 8465 Re: Next Gen Camry [alpha01]
Apr 03, 2005 (7:55 pm)
Even if it were true that the 2007 ES comes out in spring of 2006, that does not mean the Camry would debut at "about the same time."
Lexus might want the ES350 to have several months of exclusivity to help differentiate it from the Camry.
#7621 of 8465 Re: Next Gen Camry [307web]
Apr 03, 2005 (8:51 pm)
You're right, Lexus may want that. Or, since the Camry is the nations best selling vehicle and Toyota isnt very likely to willingly relinquish this crown, the two may also be introduced around the same time, just as its been for the last three generations.
#7622 of 8465 Re: 07 Camry coming in Spring 06 [mi_sat]
Apr 04, 2005 (6:01 am)
This is what I found in MotorTrend's "Future Vehicle Forecast" . Looks like the only change for MY 06 is the addition of a hybrid Camry. For 07, as expected, a complete redesign. That is when the 3.5L V6 will most likely be available. I am also guessing that the 4 cylinder model might also get a modest 10 to 15 Hp boost to keep up with the competition. Doesn't mention anything about a Spring 2006 release, although it is possible. Toyota generally is very tight lipped about upcoming products
#7623 of 8465 Re: Next Gen Camry [307web]
Apr 04, 2005 (6:40 am)
I would think all V6 models will get 3.3L (not 3.5L). Since if Toyota moves to 3.5L engine, what happens to over-stock of 3.3L ?
#7624 of 8465 Re: Next Gen Camry [cam2003]
Apr 05, 2005 (11:59 am)
"I would think all V6 models will get 3.3L (not 3.5L). Since if Toyota moves to 3.5L engine, what happens to over-stock of 3.3L?"
I think this makes more sense. I think Toyota will limit 3.5L use to the Avalon/Lexus to differentiate them from the Camry.
#7625 of 8465 Re: Next Gen Camry [lmacmil]
Apr 05, 2005 (1:35 pm)
I'm not sure I understand why there would be an overstock of 3.3Ls. The 3.3L is related to the 3.0L that debuted in the 1992 Camry, and is therefore a much older design (even though the 3.3L iteration is fairly new). The new engine family that the Avalon's belongs to (2.5L, 3.0L, 3.5L, and 4.0L) requires different tooling than the engines currently being used by the Camry and ES, for example, if my understanding is correct. Much how Nissan uses the VQ series to power its vehicles, I believe there will be an eventual phase out of the older 3.3Ls toward this new engine family.
Of course, I may be wrong. But given the added efficiency and power of the new family of engines, I see no competitive reason that Toyota will continue using the 3.3L and new engines concurrently for any substantial length of time. For all intents and purposes, the 3.3L was a stop-gap measure, from what I've read.
#7626 of 8465 Re: Next Gen Camry [alpha01]
Apr 05, 2005 (3:43 pm)
If we see the 3.5L in the Camry, my guess is that it will be detuned from the 280hp version in the Avalon. That would be consistent with the Nissan philosophy of putting higher hp in the higher cost models.
#7627 of 8465 Camry factory tour
Apr 05, 2005 (3:49 pm)
On Monday, my wife and I toured the Camry/Avalon factory in Georgetown, KY. I've been in many assembly plants (though none in the last 10 years) and I was very impressed with the size and organization. The tour is extremely well done (we were on a motorized tram in the plant for 45 min with a live person narrating what was going on around us.)
A few stats: 7.5 million sq feet under roof (that's 170 acres), 7500 Toyota employees plus 2500 contract employees (cleaning & cafeteria staff, etc.) 2000 cars a day from two assembly lines running 2 shifts. They have their own stamping and plastic molding plants as well as an engine plant. A car rolls off the line every 55 seconds but it takes 26 hours to build one, 10 of those hours are the painting process.
Highly recommended if you are ever in the area. Make reservations in advance. Tours are 10, 12, & 2 M-F plus a 6 pm tour on Thursday. About 1 hr 10 min total duration.