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#5762 of 8465 line on pricing
Jun 09, 2003 (7:14 am)
I think it helps that the new Camrys are perceived as having increased value compared to prior generations, and have shown Toyota's attempt to reverse the evident decontenting of the 1997-2001 MYs.
Food for thought:
A 1994 Camry LE 4 cyl auto with ABS stickered at $20,900 in 1994 dollars.
A 2003 Camry LE 4 cyl auto with ABS (and floormats) stickers at: $20,844 in 2003 dollars.
Certainly, though I would agree that the 92-96 Camrys were the most solidly constructed and best stylistically, there is no doubt in my mind, having had every generation of Camry excepting the first, that the current is by far the best riding, quickest, most fuel efficient, safest, quietest, and most capable handler of all the 4cyls. we've had.
(87 Base, 91 DX, 95 DX, 97 LE, 00 LE, 02 LE- first two were 4 year leases, next three were 3 year leases, and the 02 is a purchase.)
#5763 of 8465 Isn't it just great, all new 3.0 VVTI for the Camry?
Jun 12, 2003 (11:10 am)
I was being sarcastic about the "isn't it just great" part. Why? I bought a 2003 Camry SE V6 half year ago and now they're offering a more powerful 210hp engine with 5 speed automatic transmission. Darn!
As you might already know, I live in Canada. I have just checked the Canada's Toyota website and I looked at the specs. It clearly says that the engine size is still 3.0 (as opposed to 3.3 in which I have read in the past few discussions). Perhaps the 3.3 is offered elsewhere?
If anyone knows the improvement in speed (0-60) with the VVTI please post a message here. I want to see what I have sacrificed by buying my car half a year early. My own reaches 60 in 8.1 seconds. I also would like to know if fuel economy is better with the new 5 speed automatic transmission. Is the car more quiet on freeways?
I've found that my own gives out a pretty loud grunt when it reaches 140 km 3000 rpm or so. I'm guessing that the new V6 VVTI doesn't do that.
My guess is that Toyota will stop selling 3.0 engines without VVTI once they get rid of them in their lots. My prediction is that there will only be two engines in the future available for the Camry. The 4 cyl VVTI and the V6 VVTI.
I have read in another discussion here saying that VVTI and VTECs are cheap ways to improve power. I won't comment on that because I've never driven a car equipped with them. Their reasoning was that BMWs never equips their cars with them. Any comments on this?
Finally, I am just wondering if the price will go up for the V6 Camry with the added VVTI.
Jun 12, 2003 (11:55 am)
So you're that guy doing snow? angels in the middle of the street of that Camry SE commercial!
#5766 of 8465 CamrySEV6owner
Jun 12, 2003 (2:37 pm)
It happens. Automakers constantly make changes to equipment, powertrains, etc. Our 02 LE had power drivers seat and keyless entry as extra cost options. Now, they are standard.
The speculation regarding the 3.3L V6 in the Camry is not as to it being the engine in the SE V6 now, but rather, starting for the 2004 MY.
"I have read in another discussion here saying that VVTI and VTECs are cheap ways to improve power. I won't comment on that because I've never driven a car equipped with them. Their reasoning was that BMWs never equips their cars with them. Any comments on this?"
These systems are technologically advanced, not "cheap" ways to improve power, if by "cheap" you mean "easy way out". BMW DOES use advanced valve timing systems, which I believe are called "VANOS". I will check this for you. What BMW DOES NOT DO is turbo or supercharge their engines, as the Bravarian King believes THAT is a "cheap" way to produce more power. OTOH, MB uses extensive supercharging.
I can't speak to the Candian Market, but the VVTi V6 has been on sale in the US since February. The old V6s are no longer on the lots, at least not here in the high volume central Jersey area. I do not believe there was a price increase for the new engine. In fact, I'm virtually certain.
Jun 12, 2003 (8:09 pm)
Thanks for your input. Now I understand what the other guy meant when he said "cheap" power.
You should be glad that your 02 LE engine was all new and Toyota should be using them for the 4 cylinder Camrys for awhile. At least you only missed the chance to have standard keyless entry and power driver's seat.
I, on the other hand, missed the chance to drive a more powerful car! I really want to know how much faster/powerful it is when it comes out.
Enjoy your 02 Camry LE (WITH VVTI)!!! haha, sorry if I overexaggerated that. But I wished I had it in mine too!
Jun 13, 2003 (3:10 am)
Coulda, shoulda, woulda. I have to go with alpha here. Things change. How could anyone in late 02 know that toyota was going to make this change? Toyota dealers may not have even known.
I know it seems like you had the worst timing. It is not like you are talking two model years apart on your car and the newer one, it was a matter of a few months. That is why I always suggest extensive research and looking at cars for at least a few months. I would never buy a car on a whim or do it in a few days time.
I OTOH was lucky. I started my search for a camry when the old v6 was still around and the newer one was just coming out. I, like you would have, decided to ignore the old v6. It was older technology and only a 4 spd auto and they were not being discounted any more for being older tech from what I could tell at the dealers. I drove the 4 and the 6 and decided that the 4 was fine and the 6 was not worth the extra $3000.
Sorry you missed out, you can always trade or at least go for test drives to see if you can tell any difference. Just file it away as a lesson learned. LOOK real hard, before you leap.
#5769 of 8465 Mudguard anyone???
Jun 13, 2003 (11:29 am)
Just bought a 03 Camry LE last week. Very happy with the car and forgot to purchase a mudguard...
Anyone knows of a discounted place for a Camry mudguard?
Jun 13, 2003 (12:51 pm)
Beside ebaymotors, I would try www.camelbacktoyotaparts.com in AZ. I just ordered several OEM accessories for my 03 SE. like all-weather mats ($65), mudguards ($55), wheel locks ($31) and cargo net ($25). If you local dealer cost you less than $60, go for it. $55 is the lowest I have found.
#5771 of 8465 gonkraz, Camry Short seat bottom
Jun 13, 2003 (3:19 pm)
I went to a local upholstery shop and asked for some kind of custom made color-matched seat cushion at the front portion of the seat bottom. It resulted to a longer seat bottom with slightly raised front portion that follows the contour of my thigh. Very very comfortable. Hope that helps.