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#3926 of 8465 just some thoughts from an outsider
Jun 17, 2002 (8:53 pm)
around about 1992 or 3 Toyota moved from the old square Camry to a beautifully sculpted round and smooth vehicle. For reasons I do not understand, Toyota dulled that cool, smooth, and round profile into a fairly boring-looking vehicle by the end of it's life cycle by re-squaring the body. We now have the new Camry. Thanks to Toyota's desire to raise the belt-line across the board the 02 Camry looks overweight. The utterly smooth, form follows function Camry of the mid 90's has turned into an overweight-looking vehicle with styling decisions that have absolutely nothing to do with function. It looks like it's trying too hard IMHO.
#3927 of 8465 I can respect that standpoint, dardson1
Jun 18, 2002 (4:35 am)
But as a driver of a 2002, I can tell you that the new model is "descript" where as the previous cars were plain vanilla. I'd happily accept criticism (like yours, dardson) over the styling than get no reaction at all. Keep in mind, styling is delicate line with a car intended to sell as well as the Camry does. In my opinion, the car looks great in darker colors (and with stock alloys..of any type), but it does take on a bloated shape in lighter colors, which seem to exacerbate the surface area of some of the side panels. The front end styling is much improved and far different than in past years, and the high beltline, though in your opinion undesirable, contributes to a very solid, secure feeling inside the car. The Camry isnt out to break a styling mold, but this was is a much more dapper redesign than the 97, or even the 92, IMO... though the 92-96s have worn their age well, as far as family cars go. As with any car, the styling is not for everyone, but I think it its a classy shape overall that again will wear well.
#3928 of 8465 aftermarket HID's
Jun 18, 2002 (4:58 am)
It's possible (www.autolamps-online.com)
it's not quite legal, and the peformance may not be similar to the OEM HID's on the ES300
#3929 of 8465 More outsider thoughts
Jun 18, 2002 (5:18 am)
Am I getting a biased view by reading these postings that a lot of Camry buyers add some sort of extended warranty when purchasing their new vehicles? Is this really necessary, given the supposed much better than average reliability that Toyota's have?
I myself have never believed in extended warranties, feeling I would be much better off saving the cost of the extended warranty and using that money for any needed future repairs after the manufacturer's base warranty expires, which may not come up. My experience has been in general to be positive following this approach.
#3930 of 8465 I agree however
Jun 18, 2002 (7:05 am)
Dealers are using the approach that the electronics in new cars are so complex and extremely expensive ($1,000 computer chips etc) that they are selling a ton of warranties. Plus, the ole Toyota sludge issue in my opinion has not been resolved as to a true cause. So, is it worth a warranty?/
I say no but I maintain my cars well and I won't purchase another Toyota. Have never had an extended warranty to date. Even if you have one, will they pay off?
#3931 of 8465 Extended Warranties
Jun 18, 2002 (8:03 am)
If you look at the reliability of almost all new cars these days compared to the past, they are much better despite the increased complexity. Plus, routine maintenance costs should be pretty minimal too, compared to the past. For instance, tuneup requirements are almost obsolete.
So, in my mind, the biggest advantage of extended warranties is to the dealer, who gets to make money on the warranty by instilling the fears of the customer about complexity of the new vehicle.
#3932 of 8465 Extended warranties.
Jun 18, 2002 (10:59 am)
I fully agree that extended warranties are rarely worthwhile. I bought one years ago for a Mercury Marquis. The car was plenty of trouble, all right, but the warranty was a real pain in the neck to use - and in the end, I found that I had just about broken even (admittedly, that was a dealer warranty, not a Ford warranty, which probably added lots to the hassle factor). My dealer for my new Camry also gave me the bit about complexity and computers and even told me that the Camry is particularly prone to damage - after the sales people had been telling me how the Camry was the most trouble-free car on the market. I didn't buy any warranty and I don't feel I made a mistake.
Jun 18, 2002 (8:00 pm)
ever get your driver's seat fixed to your satisfaction? do a lot of others on this board complain about their's? I tried to find, but it's too hard to search this board. I'm concerned about it. I guess I should rent the car before I buy.
Jun 18, 2002 (10:11 pm)
Well, the last of the 3 auto upholsterers I went to did improve the seat, but it's still far from ideal. In fact, I'm expecting 3 (no kidding) seat cushions from AutoBarn tomorrow and hope one of them will do it for me.
But otherwise the car's been great - smooth, quiet, responsive, excellent A/C (it was 106 here today, so that's critical), transmission so smooth I'm unaware of the changing of gears unless I'm pushing it to merge onto the highway near my home where the speed limit is 65 mph and most cars are going faster. I also have no idea what car I would look at for a better seat: I had been thinking about the Crown Victoria, but yet another Arizona cop was burned to death in one last week in a low-speed city accident - the Phoenix police department is canceling a $4 million order for CVs and is going to retrofit the ones they already have with a better gas tank (or gas tank cover) like the ones they use in NASCAR races. So if I were starting over, I'd probably still buy a Camry, though I would look at the Solara, which one poster here said was more comfortable.
Finally, should you rent before you buy? Absolutely - I sure wish I had.
Jun 19, 2002 (1:16 pm)
If you own a 4-cylinder 2002 CAMRY and have run it for several months, you'd better check the inner side of the exhaust tip. More likely you'll find the coat is eroded. I have found this happened on several other CAMRY 4 cylinders as well as mine. I took the car to the dealership today. The service rep assured me the coat eroded is only a protective coat and nothing's wrong. Can I believe the service rep?