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#1084 of 8465 Sunshine60105
Jul 17, 2001 (7:05 am)
Hmm, sorry if I gave you the impression I was offended. I'm not Some people in here tend to blame the "American worker" for their problems, and maybe I got a little testy about that. Japanese owned companies have proven that it isn't the American worker. It's the company philosophy that determines the quality of the vehicle.
Various versions of new models are built for a variety of reasons, particularly in a model change year such as this one. They are run on regular roads and test tracks to test suspension, and handling. Changes are made and the cycle continues. Late in the current year they are shown to dealers. Security is very high during this time. Any of them driven on the open road are disguised, including changing nameplates to other models, painting white doors on a black car, changing wheel sizes, and anything else they can think of. For shows they are transported and convered.
These cars get a lot of abuse, changes, gutted, modified, etc. They cannot be sold to the public because of all the changes, work, scratches, dents, etc. Once new production changes are finalized and production starts, these cars are scrapped. (Believe me, you wouldn't want one.)
They are starting on Monday the 23rd because this was the time designated for the start. They know how long it will take to fill the pipline to the dealers. They know how many of each model and option to build, and how long it will take to do that. The entire process if very controlled and detailed. There is no inventory maintained at the plant. As soon as the vehicles are built they go into the pipe for distribution.
The 2002 Camry is nice looking vehicle, but the quality is still in the 2001. These are very good cars. If styling is high on your list, then wait for them and compare to the current year. There will be plenty of both to choose from.
I did that back in 1991. My wife didn't like the larger model 1992 and we purchased the 1991 model in September. We still have that car and still get offers from people to buy it. It has never had anything other than regular maintenance and has been an outstanding car. I own 3 Toyotas, every one I have ever bought: 89 Pickup, 91 Camry, and a 99 Sienna.
Jul 17, 2001 (7:16 am)
will it take for my 2000 Camry CE to break even or turn a small profit? It has 4,600mi. and has the following equipment: A/C,4CYL.-AUTOMATIC, POWER STEERING, WINDOWS, BRAKES, MIRRORS, DOORS, AM/FM/CASS/CD, REAR WINDOW DEFROST - BASICALLY THE POWER PACKAGE. I owe $20,100.00 - so as all can see I'm lop-sided on the 5 year lease. I'll be in the lease for 1 year come this August. Please help, I would like to know how much longer it will be until I can get out of this lease to break even. No more new cars for me!! Don't get me wrong - it's a very nice car but my financial situation has changed. Please advise!!
#1086 of 8465 Camry CE
Jul 17, 2001 (7:43 am)
I have several friends who bought CEs and LEs recently. $18000 including tax and everything for CEs and $19000 for LEs. All have those power things. So, I guess it would be a while for you to reach their purchase price (when it's brand new) but by then your car would be a two or more year old car. Camry is a very nice car. Why don't you want it anymore?
#1087 of 8465 autonuts/ US vs Japan built
Jul 17, 2001 (7:51 am)
autonuts: you're going to need at least three years before a creative dealer can get you out of the lease. By creative, I mean get you far enough along they can roll the balance into a new/used car loan. You'll 99% of the time never profit from a lease, and it's tough to get out early without throwing in a wad of cash. I think you're SOL, unless you can find someone to take over the lease, but you'll probably still need to offer some cash for someone to be interested.
US vs Japan Camrys: My 92 and 94 model V6 Camry were US built and they were awesome vehicles. My 97 V6 was Japan built and was the worst of the three as far as fit/finish. Nevermind the parts were cheaper on the 97, that's the same for US or Japan. Now, there was no HUGE difference, just small somewhat meaningless things. Nothing was hardly falling off any of the cars. The 92 and 94 were extremely tight vehicles with no rattles or anything way into the 100K range. We kept the 92 to close to 200K and did no repairs. I think you'd find the worst built car today compared to the best built car is not as wide of a gap as some would want you to believe. There isn't a new vehicle sold in the US I'd be scared to drive across the country in.
Jul 17, 2001 (8:17 am)
Your question illustrates why I never let me customers into a 5 year lease. You'll be upsidedown until your last payment.
Jul 17, 2001 (9:21 am)
Thanks for your reply about 2001 Camry LE price!
You seem to suggest that 2001 Camry LE should sell
at invoice, which sounds good to me!
Edmunds show that there is a customer cash of 700,
and dealer incentive of 800, but there is a small
print saying that the two can not be combined. Do this
mean that if a dealer sell at invoice, and
also apply the 700 cash, he makes only 100?
Or does he actually still get the 800 dollar incentive from
Jul 17, 2001 (1:48 pm)
Any word on the pricing for the 2002 Camry? Since you guys are already ordering them for your inventory, am I correct to assume that you guys know the MSRP? Thanks.
Jul 17, 2001 (2:22 pm)
Actually, no we don't. We just got the first allocation today so I know what color and equipment we have coming, but next to each one is the price $00000. Seems a bit funny that we pay whatever the manufacturer wants without even knowing what the price is. We should know in a couple of weeks.
FYI, the first ones I have coming have a production date of 8/6 and those will be hard pressed to be at the dealership by the projected date of the 15th.
Jul 17, 2001 (3:27 pm)
Thanks a lot. I can't wait to see the 2002 Camry in person.
#1093 of 8465 Cliffy, 2002 Camry
Jul 17, 2001 (6:19 pm)
I'm hyped for AC. The Camrys we have allocated are going into production 7/23 and 7/28. See you at Bally's!