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#31 of 2947 To Rich 310 by astrol Sep 05, 2000 (4:02 am)
Understand your situation. You should know that there are very few cars which can be equipped as the Sonata w/pkg. 13 at anything near the price.    The Alero has the equipment but does not have the safety rating of the Sonata nor the interior room and is usually a good deal more expensive (sunroof). The Malibu, I believe, does not offer side air bags but is comparable in final price. The Altima, while a very fine car, is also small inside and expensive for a 4 cyl. and offers no traction control.    You need to expand your search area. It is true that 13's are in short supply but that is more a localized situation. Source your car from the web or any number of services available.    Don't be dissuaded from a vehicle you have your sights on simply because of some A-hole dealers.
#32 of 2947 Try Buying Service (to rich310) by giowa Sep 05, 2000 (5:41 pm)
Don't give up now when you are so close. If all else fails, try a buying service. You know the exact Make/Model/options. See if they can get you a great deal. Other suggestion, try to go over or around salespeople. Speak with sales manager or owner. Tell them that you're looking to buy a car today but don't want any bogus add ons, etc. Give 'em your SSN and let 'em run a quick credit check on you. If they know you are a serious buyer, I've never seen a dealer pass on a reasonable offer. As for gas, I've run lots of 87 octane regular, 90 ethanol, and some 91 premium. Never noticed any differences in performance or fuel economy. She's never knocked on anything.
#33 of 2947 my hyundai- worst car i ever had by killercancer Sep 05, 2000 (6:20 pm)
i hate my hyundai scoupe more than anything. it has been in the shop more than i have driven it. i have only had it for a few months and already put over $800 into it- its a 1991 and they replaced 2 different kinds of sensors and it died again anyway. i am not putting anymore into this cursed vehicle. i will NEVER EVER EVER buy a hyundai again as long as i live and i just wanted to tell anyone everyone HYUNDAI IS THE WORST!!!! i found out that the car that my sister had that was horrible was also a hyundai. i wish she would have warned me!
#34 of 2947 Grin 'n bear it by wuhoo1 Sep 05, 2000 (7:03 pm)
I speak the truth about my car, and am only sharing the troubles I've had. I have the papers from the first owner's purchase of the car, and the total (everything included) came to $24K -- I thought that price was pretty ridiculous too, especially considering it lost 2/3 of its value in only 3 years, and considering today's new Sonatas sell for $16K. Why do I still have the car when I dislike it so much? Hmmm...lets think about that. If I REALLY prefer a Porsche, why did I buy a Hyundai? Why didn't I just buy the car I really wanted & liked? Because the Jaguar dealership was closed when I drove by, so I went for the "next-best" -- Hyundai? Ha! Anyway, I won't have it for too much longer. You people take my complaints about the '95 Sonata much too seriously, it's not like I'm dissing your best friend (at least I hope not). Besides, as I said twice before, my complaints are simply based on my experience, which does not necessarily mean today's Sonatas have not come a long way since then -- they must have, if they now offer such a long warranty. I don't work for a dealership, and even if I did, posting compliants to this message board would be a REALLY ineffective way of detracting business from Hyundai. I really don't care who "wins" in the Corolla-Taurus-Sentra-Accord-Sonata debate. No need to get so defensive ... especially over a car of Hyundai's mediocre caliber.
#35 of 2947 killercancer by lngtonge18 Sep 06, 2000 (4:32 am)
How stupid to claim Hyundai is so terrible based on a 10 year old car that you just recently bought. Hello, its 10 years old and you bought it used. Its luck of the draw at that point. The previous owner could have totally neglected the car and thus caused it to have multiple problems. You can't state that all Hyundais are junk based on such an old used car. If you bought it new and had all these problems even though you took care of it, than you could have a valid point. As is, you learned a lesson about buying a used car.   I had a similar experience when I bought an 11 year old VW GTI as my first car. Right after I bought it, it was very difficult to start. This went on for a month or so. I was furious I had spent all my money on a car that wouldn't start. Instead of being childish, giving up, and cursing all VWs, me and my Dad worked to find the problem. It turned out the fuel pump was not operating and it cost $80 to replace it. My dedication paid off and the car has been extremely reliable ever since (now has 200K miles). I have now owned the car for 6 years and never plan on getting rid of it. I love the car to death! So, my initial bad luck worked itself out. This is just another example of what can happen when you buy a used car with an unknown past. Thats why you have to be extemely careful in choosing an older used car.
#36 of 2947 Sonata Bashing by sonatax3 Sep 06, 2000 (11:03 am)
Why is a ten year old used Scoupe even being discussed on this forum? As far as the wuhoo1 and the used 95 Sonata, valid forum information if it had enough background factual information to be of value. As I have stated before, I have owned a 90, 95 and 00 Sonata. The still running 90 went to charity in April with 128,000 miles. The 95 is away at college with 92,000 miles on it. The 00 now has 11,500 miles and is just purring away. What I have not mentioned on this forum was that I also owed a 90 Excel that had 89,000 miles on it when it was totaled by someone doing 45 mph and failing to notice that I was stopped as a school bus crossed the highway. I bought all these Hyundai products new and changed the oil every 3,000 miles and did most of the routine services. Am I so "lucky" that my cars last and don't give me problems? I don't think so. The difference as I see it, is that I know that my cars have been maintained. When you buy used, what do you really know about the car? Usually, only the good news. Is the guy going to tell you how busy he was and that a couple of time he missed the oil change by just a few thousand miles; or that he never had the cooling system flushed; or that the original fuel filter is still there - I doubt it. Original owners who have problems with their Sonatas, I relish the exchange of information. I started reading the Sonata posting a few weeks before I bought my 00 GLS package 12. Learned about the three clicks of the gas cap - my sales person was very particular in pointing out the need for three clicks by the way. I have learned about the "dents" that seem to be a problem - I don't have any, but the information was valid and it made me inspect my car. I have learned of the grille and fog light availability - again good useful information even if I choose not to do anything about it. I almost gave up on the Sonata forum when isellhonda was active and diverted everyone away from the theme of valid information exchange. By the way, I'm not perfect - I was also one of those people who bought the 86 Chevy Caprice Station wagon DIESEL - dumped it after 67,000 miles. Had any problem, took it to my dealer, he kept it a week each time and never fixed anything.
#37 of 2947 Hyundai Financial Update by giowa Sep 06, 2000 (2:26 pm)
From 9/1/00 issue of Financial Times: "Hyundai Motor Goes it Alone... yesterday received government approval to separate from the Hyundai group in the first step towards the break-up of South Korea's largest conglomerate. Analysts say the spin-off will increase investor confidence in [the] carmaker. Its credit rating will improve... can now concentrate on improving shareholder value... Besides Hyundai Motor, the new car group includes Kia Motors, Hyundai Precision & Industry, Hyundai Pipe, Inchon Iron & Steel, and several smaller businesses... separation comes as the carmaker reported record net profits of $280 million in the first half [of 2000]. It also concluded a strategic alliance with DaimlerChrysler... Analysts believe that [DC] will acquire 10 percent of Hyundai Motor this month... There are also concerns about Hyundai Motor's recent offer of a generous 10-year warranty on some car models sold in US in an effort to boost sales. The long-term effects of the warranty are incalculable since it exposes Hyundai Motor to substantial financial liabilities... an analyst believes the financial impact will be limited since the warranty applies to only 40 percent of the 250,000 cars that Hyundai expects to sell in the US during this year."
#38 of 2947 sonatax3 by wuhoo1 Sep 06, 2000 (5:11 pm)
Trying to discount my credibility with nothing but insults does nothing for your own, sonatax3. You have no "factual" evidence that I have not maintained my car, and no evidence that the previous owner did not. You simply try to make claims about the history of MY car which you know absolutely nothing about. You assume because the car is bad that the maintenance history is bad? That's the whole point, genius -- if I hadn't maintained the car, then I wouldn't be complaining about it because it really would be my fault, not Hyundai's. What I am dissatisfied with is the low quality that has manifested itself through the problems I've had, which are clearly attributable to Hyundai. No mechanic has ever told me the problems I've had were preventable with better maintenance. You're the kind of person who will always have an excuse in your defense, some nit-picky point you will use to try and damage someone's credibility. I can only assume that your 128K Hyundai was indeed in "charity-donation" condition when you donated it. As I've stated multiple times, you should take at face value ANY individual's accounts of their experiences with a car -- good or bad. You will likely find in every forum that for ANY car ever made, you have people like me who have had bad experiences and will never buy that make again, and you have people like you who are satisfied and are repeat buyers. If I've learned one thing from these car chat forums, it's that individual accounts are not worth very much to me -- although for obvious reasons, I should rely on my own experience foremost. It would make no sense for me to buy or recommend a make & model of car that I've had so many problems with, no matter what others say. For car buying tips, I will rely on more creditable authorities that use more sophisticated, tried-and-true ranking methodologies than the average consumer. Defensiveness is a sign of weakness, and I will no longer waste my time on you people, my car's having engine trouble again and I have to take it to the shop.
#39 of 2947 Killercancer and 'Boohoo1' by astrol Sep 06, 2000 (8:17 pm)
Here we go again. Some Braindead idiot making claims against an entire Manufacturing line-up based on the experience of a 9-10 year old used car.     Killercancer---PLEASE DON'T BUY HYUNDAI. That way someone with a brain that works will able to make the purchase and be happy.     'BooHoo1'---You have a '95 Sonata and have had problems with it. I've had problems with my '95. So what? MSN Carpoint shows the reliability improvement from '95 on. Those are STATISTICAL facts. You say yourself that you are rarely affected by an individual testimonial for a car. You rely on experience. Then what is point of your posting? 'Sonatax3' said in his/her first response that some reliable data provided by an owner would be useful.     I bought an '83 Prelude w/75K back in '89. Wonderful little coupe but had more than it's share of maintenance repairs. Got it to 150K when I traded it on my '95 Sonata. Damn thing was expensive to maintain but I don't find myself thinking 'I'll never buy another Honda". Used cars are a crap-shoot no matter what the make. Make that ALL CARS NEW OR OLD are a crap-shoot. You do the research and hold your breath.     Go check the ownership review sites out there and compare. Why does the '99-'00 Toyota Camry rate so low among owners? Why does the '99-'00 Sonata do so well? One of these manufacturers is in the business of 'de-contenting' cars while the other is doing just the opposite. I wonder which of these strategies is the right one?
#40 of 2947 v6 power? by firstnewcar7 Sep 07, 2000 (4:12 pm)
After reading Edmund's own review on the v6's difficulty with acceleration, I'm leaning toward the 4cyl. Which has better numbers than the Mitts Galant, another car I'm considering. I'm most likely moving to california and concerned about two things, one the smog test (what do the smog numbers mean?), and two, the hills. If the v6 has trouble with hills, this would be a bad choice right? Not sure...

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