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Volvo S60, Volvo S60 R, Sedan
#2741 of 3081 Re: Volvo vs. Legacy [voxboy]
Dec 06, 2006 (9:23 pm)
Hi Voxboy, I'm going to jump in here. I bought a 2006 S60 T5 (ex-service vehicle) this year, and a couple of months ago I got rear-ended. The head-rest was right there - my head hit the thing with a good thunk, but since there was so little - actually no space - between my head and the head-rest, I had no whiplash. By the way, WHIPS didn't engage - I wasn't hit that hard, but it is nice to know it's there.
Because I like its handling, I was about to buy the Audi A4 but the IIHS didn't like the models (rear impact-wise) until later in 2006 and I wanted to get something slightly used - read: cheaper.
I still feel vulnerable - a tad anyway - with S60's 'just ok' side impact ratings, and I don't know if Volvo has addressed this in the 2007 model. (Volvomax, you know anything about this?)
But I really read the IIHS and the Govt crash tests, and I reasoned that: Subaru Foresters didn't have Stability Control, Saabs have terrible reliability records, and it was more likely that I'd be rear-ended than side-impacted, so I bought the S60.
I like it - I have a few gripes - my right knee is too near the steering wheel shaft, the car makes no chirping sound when you lock it remotely, the true city mileage is around 19mpg, the T5 is bumpy and the turning radius is indeed pretty annoying...
But it's a very sturdy car, the T5 at least has a lot of power, it looks nice and damn, the seats are comfortable and good for tall people.
Hope this helps.
#2742 of 3081 Re: Is AWD worth it??? [voxboy]
Dec 07, 2006 (7:36 am)
There is virtually no torque steer -- or turbo lag -- on the low-pressure turbo. The high-pressure turbo is another matter altogether. After having one since Feb/02 and putting 57,000 miles on it based in the Rockies in Colorado we can report no problems whatsoever. AWD is more than about driving in the snow. It's about wet roads, gravel roads, cornering and more. If you find a sweet deal on a used one go for it.
#2743 of 3081 Re: Volvo vs. Legacy [confused7]
Dec 07, 2006 (7:46 am)
2007 model is unchanged. We just had a customer in an 05 get hit very hard in the side, totslled the car. No injury.
Conversely, a brand new 06 Subaru WRX was hit in the side right in front of our dealership. Driver was carried away on a stretcher to the hospital. You cannot always place full faith in tests. They don't always replicate what happens in the real world.
#2744 of 3081 Re: Volvo vs. Legacy [confused7]
Dec 07, 2006 (9:20 am)
Hi Confused, volvomax, philmo, etc. Thanks so much for your responses. I'm right there with you.
I pretty much resolved to get the S60 AWD with Dyanamic Stability, but decided to test drive the Legacy just to confirm my decision. Fyi, while I still find the '07 Legacy crash test results somewhat persuasive, it certainly doesn't feel like a safer car. It rides like a cheaper, insubstantial vehicle and I was surprised that it didn't instill much confidence. That may not be very scientific, but to echo volvomax's sentiments, I now believe more than ever that crash test results do not necessarily translate to real world conditions. And if that sounds like sour grapes, what supports that contention is the IIHS's "Injury, Collision and Theft loss" report which provides numerical ratings based on actual insurance claims filed over 2-3 years; despite the S60's modest side impact rating, the car has in fact proven supremely protective -- joining the ranks of the Passat, 9-3, and Quattro (recent awards not withstanding, the Legacys have resulted in about 25% more injuries).
So here I go -- plunging into the used S60 market. Do any of you guys have advice on things to look out for? How important is it to pay extra for a "certified" car, and would you ever buy from an ebay vendor? Any and all recommendations are welcome.
#2745 of 3081 Re: Volvo vs. Legacy [voxboy]
Dec 07, 2006 (10:20 am)
while I don't feel it needs to be certified, I'd personally want an extended warranty. Since a certified car comes with one, its probably easiest just to stick to certified.
It seems like you are looking for a recent model (let's say '04 and up?). If so, I can't think of anything in particluar you need to look for. Volvo seems to have the S60 pretty well ironed out by that year. Just be sure to try out several. Used cars, regardless of manufacturer, can vary greatly in the way they feel due to being abused by previous owners.
I don't want to start a war, and this really may vary by region, but I also feel the need to point out that Volvo dealers (at least here in NJ) typically overprice their used volvos. If that's the case in your area, don't get discouraged. It could take a while to find the right one for you, and remember that there is plenty of room to negotiate.
#2746 of 3081 Re: Volvo vs. Legacy [voxboy]
Dec 07, 2006 (11:50 am)
In terms of peace of mind, the certified car is the way to go. They can however cost quite a bit more than a private party or non Volvo dealer car.
Avg cost to certify a used Volvo, including the warranty is $3000. Plus, the dealer wants a profit.
#2747 of 3081 Re: Volvo vs. Legacy [voxboy]
Dec 07, 2006 (3:49 pm)
Unless your bottom-feeding I'd look for a 3-year old lease return as it's likely been babied and will have approx. 36,000 miles on it, then consider an extended warranty. We did this with a Honda Civic where the extended warranty paid for itself within 2-years and is transferable to the next owner when we sell it -- a great selling point.
As far as things to look for I can't make any recommendations as all-is-well with our 2002 at 57,000 miles.
#2748 of 3081 Re: Volvo vs. Legacy [voxboy]
Dec 07, 2006 (7:19 pm)
If you buy from a dealer, like I did, do the usual: go at the end of the month. At the end of the day. And be prepared to walk out when he laughs at your offer. I did. I got a call 15 minutes later as I was heading home. I demanded it be certified for the price I offered, and it was. He needed to make his quota, I guess. (Sorry to lay this out here, Volvomax... it is what happened at my dealer...)
Before all that, though, do test drive the hell out of it, and don't ignore the niggling things. Like I said, it's very solid feeling... there's rather a cockpit feel about it which you will need to like. (At least in my sporty T5)
#2749 of 3081 Re: Volvo vs. Legacy [confused7]
Dec 07, 2006 (10:02 pm)
That's fine advice, Confused7.
I was also wondering if dealers sometimes allow buyers to accompany them to auctions where they can cherry-pick from newly off-lease cars. Volvomax?
#2750 of 3081 2007 S60 maintenance included?
Dec 08, 2006 (12:25 am)
I was looking at consumer guide to see what car I want to buy and narrowed it down to 3. S60R, TL-S, G35s.
They are all about the same price and similar warranties.
One thing that stood out is 3yr/36K mi included maintenance on Volvos.
Is this true?
If so, why did the Volvo dealer not tell me?
WHy does Volvo sell 3yr, 4yr, 5yr, 6yr and 7yr pre-paid maintenance packages?
Has anyone bought one of these and if so, have you haggled the price down?
Please help clarify