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Volvo S60, Volvo S60 R, Sedan
#1476 of 3081 quick question
Jan 23, 2004 (6:48 am)
a friend of mine is looking at used cars. she has two small children, newly single mom, needs something SAFE, and that will start everyday. she has come across a demo 2003 base model S60.
are these reliable? i know the new S40 is based on Ford/global platforms. is the S60 a pure and true Volvo? or was the S80 the last of the real Volvo's?
would you all recommend a base model S60 automatic to a single mom with toddlers? she wants a car that is safe, and one that doesn't look bad either. she is looking at dark green or navy, both are "demo" cars. is the 5 cylinder engine decent? no tranny issues? are the old Volvo exhaust and electrical issues worked out?
Jan 23, 2004 (7:55 am)
the s60 is a true volvo. the only "untrue" volvo is the current S40 that is on its way out.
i don't own one, so i can't help you with the other issues.
Jan 23, 2004 (9:06 am)
The S60 is based on the S80, although it is a much improved version.
The S60 would be perfect for someone that wants safe economical transportation
#1479 of 3081 Couple of things
Jan 23, 2004 (9:26 am)
Yes, my T5 with the summer tires tends to be all over the road, yet the winters track straight and true. That is normal.
My service manager told me the same thing, these cars are ready to go right out of the box. He also said that the only thing you may want to do is after aggressive driving to idle the car a bit.
Apparently Volvo supports this "no-break-in" because I have heard and read it countless times even though it goes against everything we have learned over the years. same thing with those 7500 mile oil changes. I can't bring myself to wait that long!
My S60 has been very reliable and in Ottawa, we have had the worst winter I can recall. 10 straight days of -40C+ weather. Not only did my car start but it heats up very quickly. This is a car made in a country with rough winters and I think all Canadians and Americans living North of New York can be thankful about that.
#1480 of 3081 "no-break-in"
Jan 23, 2004 (10:09 am)
interesting ... the owner's manual supports that?
#1481 of 3081 quick question/Justin
Jan 24, 2004 (7:14 am)
Although I love my S60R, I don't think the S60 offers enough space in the back for your friend (child seats). Assuming she tried it or will try it and it works for her, the S60 is a first pick, if safety is on your/her mind.
Jan 24, 2004 (9:09 am)
thanks for the feedback. she seems to think childseats will fit fine. she looked at two of the cars. i wonder if she realized her kids will GROW soon, and not be able to fit in the car.
she has stuck in her head the "volvo safety/durability" ideas from the 70's and 80's when we grew up. i just wonder if the newer cars are as good. my 1980 hand me down 240 DL was not reliable really, but it was durable in that i couldn't "kill" it, ya know? all news car are so much more complex....
it is snowy this weekend, so i don't think we will go out looking at cars.
Jan 24, 2004 (11:20 am)
Pat, it is true that the manual for the S60 does not specify a break-in period. However, the notion that an engine is not breaking in (or, is already broken in) is stretching reality a bit. The proof that an engine is in fact breaking in can be found in the improvement in gas mileage as the car approaches 2,500 to 3,000 miles. Brand new (with 10 miles on the odometer), my S60 AWD was getting 15 mpg city and 20 mpg highway. (Which is interesting considering the EPA sticker was for 18/25 if memory serves....) As the car reached 1,000 miles, the mileage improved to around 17/22. There was a gradual improvement until around 2,700 miles, when the mileage got up to around 19/26.
This was the break-in procedure that I followed:
1. After starting, gentle drive-off (no more than 1,500 rpm) until the coolant temperature is showing activity. Depending on the outside weather, you could be looking at 1/4 to 1/2 mile.
2. After the coolant is starting to warm-up, no more than 2,000 rpm for the first 500 miles. Also, vary the engine loads (absolutely NO cruise control during this period). This may be one instance where stop-and-go traffic is actually good for the car....
3. After the first 500 miles, but until 1,000 miles, follow the same approach in 2. above, but keep the rpm below 3,000.
4. After 1,000 miles, change the oil and filter, and your car will continue the break-in process at its own pace. I would use Mobil 1 synthetic for the oil. There are others that are big fans of Amsoil or other synthetics; which oil to use is a personall decision - I am not a lubrication engineer, what was good for the factory is what is good for me.
One final note, if you have an automatic transmission, I would change the transmission oil at 3,000 miles. This may be perceived to be over-maintaining; however, if you want to keep the car for as long as possible, you need to get the tiny metal particles out of the transmission as soon as possible.
#1484 of 3081 Just drive an enjoy!
Jan 24, 2004 (11:45 am)
Avolvofan: how do you know that your procedure does any good and actually is the reason why the mileage improves? Have you ever tried to do nothing but just drive the car and enjoy? That is what I do and my mileage improved on all the cars I owned! Please, let's try to stop the myth here and just enjoy what you drive!
#1485 of 3081 Re: Break in period
Jan 24, 2004 (11:57 am)
The owners manual is actually quite vague on the subject of a break in period.
We have been told by Volvo to keep the engine out of redline for the 1st 1,000 miles. Varying speeds isn't necessary however. Nor is an early oil change.
I followed these steps w/ my C70 and have had no problems and I drive it pretty fast.