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Volvo S60, Volvo S60 R, Sedan
#1270 of 3081 Comments on S60 for davant
Sep 29, 2003 (8:08 pm)
Glad to see that you enjoyed your S60 test drives. Looks like you were able to get behind the wheel of every S60, but the S60R.
Have you driven any of the other vehicles you have on your list? If so how did they compare...
The 2.5T engine: It is a nice balance of power and torque. As a bonus the torque is available at relatively low RPM's for a turbo (1500)....so it fits nicely with US driver expectations. It's like the Goldilocks of the Volvo engines not to hot or too cold... it's 'just right'.
Evidince of this 'just right' factor is that the 2.5T is used by volvo in a LOT of US models (S60 FWD, S60AWD, V70, V70 AWD, XC 70 AWD, XC90 FWD, XC90AWD ) As the vehicles get heavier, the 2.5T becomes the 'base' engine... but will still be servicable. In the S60 you are considering, this is a great choice of engine - one of the lightest US models the 2.5T is in.
Engine reliability - since this current 2.5T (LPT) configuration is one of the newer ones, it's hard to tell. I guess you could look the existing T5 High Pressure Turbo engine (HPT originally used in the old 850 Turbo's from the mid 90's ) for an indicator - as there are examples with high miles by now.
Dealer Pricing: I'll leave that to the 'experts', but it depends on how soon you need to buy. Since you are replacing an 02 camry - I would think that time is on your side. So how soon before you need to purchase?
Options & Packages: It get's hard to get exactly what you want without anything 'extra'. There is a possible solution - Overseas Delivery (OSD)
OSD - order the exact car you want for a price less than MSRP, WAIT for your car to be BUILT, take a trip to Sweden ( round trip air included in purchase), pick up your car in Sweden, drive around Europe for up to 15 days, drop off the car , fly home.. wait for car to get ashore... drive car home from dealer.
OSD is a whole post in itself, but the concept is nice. You can check it out on volvo's site & there are a couple of sites on the net to see pricing. Usually base price is less than dealer invoice, but options are at MSRP... so if you only have 1 or 2 options, your OSD total is usually less than Dealer Invoice. DON"T forget destiantion on dealer pricing is included in the price listed for OSD. One word of warning... work with your dealer to
figure out how to make sure you have something to drive between returning home & picking up your new car at the dealer.
Of course dealer rebates passed along to YOU could end up with a total less than OSD. So when you are comparing prices, keep in mind that you have Dealer Invoice, Edmunds TMV, and OSD pricing to compare.
FWIW - I went through a lot of the same research & pricing options for about a year before we purchased a 2003 S60 AWD (with the 2.5T) last spring. We were looking at FWD, but the timing was such that the existing dealer rebate on S60 AWD made up for the savings of OSD and the fact that 2004 models have some scheduled maintence included.
Sep 30, 2003 (8:45 am)
Probably the best all around car in Volvo's inventory.
Lots of power and features for a reasonable price point.
While some of the early S60's had teething issues, 99% of the cars have been very good to flawless.
Keep in mind that message boards like this and others tend to bring more negative comments than positive ones. Happy people don't take the time to share their happiness, unhappy people always do.
As for packages, it depends on your region.
We stock prem and sport pkg cars, or prem, sport,touring, climate and xenon cars.
So we have inexpensive and loaded cars.
Deals are possible, if your willing to take a car out of dealer stock. There is an incentive, not sure if it varies by region or not.
Reliability should be very good, the 2.5l engine is just a 2.4l punched out a little.
Tranny and turbo unit are unchanged.
Oct 01, 2003 (10:54 am)
Can anyone give me some tips on installing a cd changer (not from dealer).....based on some web surfing I did, most cd changers are not suited for Volvos...is this true...anyone out there who has installed a CD changer outside........
Oct 03, 2003 (5:16 am)
kinda makes me wish i was in the market for a new kinda-expensive car right now. With all this talk of incentives, I paid a visit to carsdirect and spec'd out an S60 T5 stick, premium package, sport package, climate package, navigation, and Xenons. $33,500!! That's about $6500 below sticker. Wow!! No wonder my Volvo's resale is in the crapper. LOL.
I figured an R was a no brainer, but looking at a $7K difference? I'd have to give that some SERIOUS thought.
Oct 03, 2003 (10:25 am)
Good luck actually finding an S60 T5M.
The T5 is going to be phased out, so resale will be an issue down the road.
Oct 03, 2003 (11:37 am)
What do you mean? No hi-po FWD? So its going to skip from the 208hp 2.5T up to 300hp R??
Resale is an issue with recent Volvos in general. The T5s, as far as I can see, still command quite a bit more than their lesser counterparts. And I don't think just because something is gone translates into poor resale. Look at cars like the RX7, Supra, etc. They were removed from the market, but their resale remained very strong and still is up there for 10-year-old vehicles. The high-performance models always command more, so I think the same will be true with the T5s. Will it have poor resale? Yeah, but no more than the other S60s and they may even hold their value better.
#1276 of 3081 salesmen for some reason push autos
Oct 03, 2003 (11:47 am)
I've noticed this over about ten years that almost everywhere salesmen will push people to buy autos and claim manuals hurt resale value.
Why should someone buy a car they dislike and usually pay extra so that they can resell the car for $500 more 3 years later?
No salesperson can answer that simple question.
#1277 of 3081 R ressale?
Oct 03, 2003 (2:51 pm)
Just bought my new R on Monday (manual, of course), and it's by far the best car I've ever driven. Elegant, comfortable, safe, and of course, FAST (-: Paid MSRP. Can anyone estimate as how the resale value is going to look like 4-5 years from now? My guess is that's due to demand and supply, it will hold a strong resale.
Oct 03, 2003 (3:55 pm)
IF volvo continues to produce them in limited numbers over those 4-5 years, and IF they continue to sell for MSRP over those 4-5 years, and IF they don't drop the prices of them over those 4-5 years, and IF we don't fall into a depression over those 4-5 years, and IF gas-driven cars are still popular, and IF Jupiter's moons all stay in their proper orbit over those 4-5 years, then I'd take a guess as to 35.9834%. How's that sound?
sorry, had a LONG day!
Oct 03, 2003 (8:55 pm)
The R plays to a limited audience. Production will likely continue to be limited as well. I would be surprised to see any significant price incentives on the R. As long as there's no reliability issues with the 300hp aluminum beast, I would expect 36-48mo resale value to be on par or slightly higher among the 60 series. That being said, it's unlikely that the R or any of the 60 series is destined to be in the same league as the RX7 or Supra... 10 years from now?