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#8449 of 8465 1990 LS 400 - Will Price Go Up Eventually As A "Classic Car"
Aug 06, 2012 (9:43 am)
Hi, I am the original owner of this car ( White/Silver 1990 ) and have had nothing but dealer or independent Lexus/Toyota service shops working on the car for 22 years. I have a spread sheet of every bit of work that was done on the car with dates including Mobile One oil changes. It has only 190,000 miles on it (always garaged) with new shocks, brakes, radiator, A/C repairs, etc. (all verifiable). While the photo is 5 years old, it still looks this good! Don't you agree with me that eventually this "Mercedes/BMW Spoiler" will go up in value, as it is the 1st year model of the Lexus flagship that took a nice share of the luxury car market? I may be looking to sell it soon, but I want someone who appreciates the "Classic Car" aspect, as I do. It runs and rides beautifully, has Nakamichi, CD Changer, Leather seats with Sheepskin Covers, and Chrome Mags, and I use it for local travel here in SC."
#8450 of 8465 Re: 1990 LS 400 - Will Price Go Up Eventually As A "Classic Car" [slexy1]
Aug 06, 2012 (3:34 pm)
That is a beautiful car, and a beautiful home behind it!
I would agree that "eventually", the car may appreciate, but not if you keep driving it. In fact, you are probably already WAY over the mileage limit for a classic. Condition is great, but use is also a factor. How many miles do you see on your average Pierce-Arrow or Duiesenberg in collections? Also, how long is "eventually"? Right now, it's worth $3850. If you keep driving it, it won't appreciate. With 200,000 on the clock, probably never will. Enjoy the car - it's worth more to you than to anybody.
#8451 of 8465 Re: 1990 LS 400 - Will Price Go Up Eventually As A "Classic Car" [nvbanker]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Aug 06, 2012 (6:49 pm)
I'd have to agree---there's virtually no chance of this car appreciating as a classic. Historically, very very few modern 4-door sedans of any stripe or vintage have appreciated in value since 1990....perhaps the Impala SS of 1994-96 (and it's pretty much shot its bolt on the value curve). Given that your car is already 22 years old and shows no signs of going up in value, I'd say it's not going to happen.
However, it has real value to you, and would probably command a premium price as a used car--but even that premium price is not likely to warrant holding onto the car for value. If I were you, I'd use the car up and enjoy every minute of it.
#8452 of 8465 Re: 1990 LS 400 - Will Price Go Up Eventually As A "Classic Car" [Mr_Shiftright]
Aug 07, 2012 (6:03 am)
Thanks, nvbanker and Mr. Shiftright, for your compliments, good evaluation and advice. I'll probably wind up doing what you both suggest, unless the "on sale date" of Nov. 2012 for the 2013 LS 460 tempts me to buy another 1st year model Lexus. I also have a 2001 LS 430 EuroSport, so I guess I have a thing for Lexus flagship 1st year models. If that does happen, what would anybody here recommend as the best way to advertise to get the best price for my 1990 (I don't do Ebay). Whoever gets it will get a great car that should last with proper care for a lot more mileage! I sure won't be able to replace the colder freon that cools this hot car (with smaller cabin) off faster than the newer, less cold refrigerant models, IMO.
#8453 of 8465 Re: 1990 LS 400 - Will Price Go Up Eventually As A "Classic Car" [slexy1]
Aug 07, 2012 (8:19 am)
Lexus uses an EPR valve to regulate the level of cooling provided by the evaporator so I doubt that going to r134 would make a difference.
If you want to see the effects of "wasted" cooling capacity have a look at the return line to the compressor just under the bottom of the radiator after a long drive on a hot and humid day. Up to 1/2" of rhime ice.
As of ~95 Lexus moved that line to the firewall behind the engine in order to improve the compressor life, engine heat "absorbs" the excess cooling.
#8454 of 8465 Re: 1990 LS 400 - Will Price Go Up Eventually As A "Classic Car" [slexy1]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Aug 07, 2012 (8:27 am)
I think an ad in www.autotrader.com is your best bet for attracting the type of buyer you want. Unlike Craigslist, which usually caters to bottom-feeders (like me ), with Autotrader they offer plenty of sophisticated search functions, so that buyers can isolate cars by zip code. So you can get local buyers even though you have a national ad in place.
Also if you have a highly reputable broker in your area (someone who sells "classics" or special cars in a nice indoor showroom and who takes perhaps 15% off the top), that's a good way for a hassle-free sale.
#8455 of 8465 Re: 1990 LS 400 - Will Price Go Up Eventually As A "Classic Car" [Mr_Shiftright]
Aug 07, 2012 (9:05 am)
I'm sure you're right about the EPR valve, wwest, but all my wife and I know, for many years now, is that we both get "brain freeze" a lot faster with the freon than the r134. I'm not sure, but it appears that the 1990 has a smaller cabin interior size than our 2001 LS 430. Maybe that has something to do with it?
Mr. Shiftright, thanks for the great, specific suggestions, in case I want to sell the 1990 eventually. Your suggestion actually reminded me that I have a friend on the west coast who is a manager for AutoTrader.com. It will be great to touch bases with him again.
#8456 of 8465 Re: 1990 LS 400 - Will Price Go Up Eventually As A "Classic Car" [slexy1]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Aug 07, 2012 (10:26 am)
yeah, if you want bang for your buck (dollars spent per viewer), Autotrader is hard to beat. Plus you get print and internet ads in a package. I've sold 2 cars for friends that way, and got a good price, too.
Craigslist is nice because it's all local, but some of the people you attract, plus all the scammers, makes it a tedious enterprise.
#8457 of 8465 Re: 1990 LS 400 - Will Price Go Up Eventually As A "Classic Car" [slexy1]
Aug 07, 2012 (11:21 am)
The "brain freeze" in the early models isn't the result of the different refrigerants but a change in the design of the climate control system.
Up until ~95 the system would go into rapid cooldown mode, close to the maximum level of cooling when you initially started the car on a HOT day. Apparently this was deemed somewhat discomforting for some buyers, northernish buyers(?).
When we purchased our '00 F/awd RX300 I was mildly surprised that I now had to "manage" the system on my own if I wished to more rapidly cool the cabin down to our comfort level.
Turn the system to MAX cooling, or closely thereby, lower the blower speed to a more comfortable, more quiet level, until the cabin was more comfortable.
THEN you can put in fully automatic mode.....EXCEPT...
Being extremely careful to not allow the system to switch into cooling mode automatically on the coldest night in the dead of winter. Somewhere about '05 Lexus came out with a C-BEST option that when set other than the factory default would force the system to stay in heating mode when the OAT was coolish/COLD.
#8458 of 8465 Re: 1990 LS 400 - Will Price Go Up Eventually As A "Classic Car" [nvbanker]
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