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Lexus LS 400, Lexus LS 430, Sedan
Mar 03, 2005 (7:36 am)
I got the basic LS to drive. After 10 minutes, I brought it back.
Steering was much too light for me. Turns were horrible.
Acceleration was disappointing. My BMW 6 feels more powerful than the Lexus 8. The Lexus is probably a little too heavy.
Seats were good but not amazingly comfortable. Drove a Passat in 2002 and found its seats to be better than the LS.
Hated the wood steering wheel.
Haven't seen a parking brake pedal like that in years.
Car is absolutely screaming for a re-design.
Then I tried the GS 430. Night and day. Forget what Edmunds said about the brakes. Excellent brakes. Stopped smoothly.
Very good on turns though not quite as good as BMW but close enough.
Good acceleration, about equal in as power to my BMW 6.
Feels like a sports sedan. Excellent ride. Much more to my liking.
A little less legroom than the LS. Seats just okay. Nothing special.
Hate the wood steering wheel although has leather on the sides of the wheel.
Do not like the outer design of the car. Looks bloated.
And what's up with the gated shifter on both of these cars? Tedious!
Couldn't take it for an extended drive because it was the only one there.
I would take a pass on both cars although after driving the GS 430, at least I didn't feel like I wasted my time.
If you are looking for a sports sedan, definitely give the GS 430 a try. A pleasant surprise.
#7052 of 8465 Re: LS 400 vs LS 430 [dbc123]
Mar 03, 2005 (7:49 am)
31K Miles? wow, that's low mileage. I had a '98 that I traded for my '02..Honestly, I didn't think there was a huge difference other than the interior accents and electronic toys. I still feel a LS400 will have better long term reliability than the LS430's.
I still have my 92 LS and the sound insulation is better on the '92. If you turn on the radio, get out of the car and shut the door you hardly hear anything..On the LS430 you can hear practically everything. I'd wait for 2007 before I'd trade up. Plus the ride on the 92 is better with the 15" instead of the 18" rims. Though the LS430 has better performance parameters.
Hope that helps,
#7053 of 8465 Re: LS test drive [hpowders]
Mar 03, 2005 (7:52 am)
Sorry to hear the car disappointed you. You should have tried the Air Suspension model or Euro Suspension Model. Also was the PWR button on? That would have given a much bigger punch when you stepped on the pedal. The seats on the more expensive models have a different type of leather too. At the same time it is not a sports sedan. It's more of a cruiser.
#7054 of 8465 Re: LS test drive [sv7887]
Mar 03, 2005 (8:12 am)
Hey sv7887. I am very glad that I got to drive one so I could form my own opinion. The car I drove was the basic car. I wasn't told about the PWR button. From the response of the vehicle, I bet it was off so they could save a few shekels on the gas.
On the other hand, the GS 430 was fully loaded, although I was concentrating on the driving experience in both vehicles.
I respect fellow posters' right to enjoy the LS 430. I will not be spending any time here being anti-Lexus.
I did enjoy driving the GS 430. I was very pleasantly surprised.
#7055 of 8465 Re: LS 400 vs LS 430 [dbc123]
Mar 03, 2005 (9:11 am)
With 31K miles and this deep in the model run I'd wait until the 2007 re-design.
#7056 of 8465 LS vs Euro cars
Mar 03, 2005 (10:16 am)
I'm always perplexed by this idea that they are direct competitors. They are not. I totally respect Howard's preference for the driving feel of the euro cars. They certainly have a more direct and connected feel to them. To some, this is of paramont importance. The LS easily is smoother, quieter, more refined and far more reliable. Some prefer these qualities and they, (like myself) are always disappointed when test driving a MB, BMW, Audi, etc.
I understand the dilemma presented to the euro car crowd by the continuing decline in reliability of these cars. A friends new MB SL has been in the shop numerous times during 8 months of ownership and is still not right. So, Howard, what to do? Is the "ultimate driving machine" going to stay in your garage?
#7057 of 8465 Re: LS vs Euro cars [dbc123]
Mar 03, 2005 (11:43 am)
I will test drive the M45 soon. Then comes the BMW 545, the 2006 530 and the 2006 330.
The choice will be among the above and the Lexus GS 430 which I found surprisingly impressive.
I have until July to finalize. So I will take my time and drive them all as they become available.
Now to look up some Infiniti dealers......
Should be as easy as "dbc."
#7058 of 8465 Re: LS test drive [hpowders]
Mar 03, 2005 (2:50 pm)
I'm glad you got to test drive and, as my mother always said, "got that out of your system." Yes, there *is* a big difference between the Lexus and European cars. My '05 LS430 doesn't 'corner' as well as my Volvos did, or our BMW, but this time I hope I bought those full red circles in CS magazine. At this point in time, I traded off 'feel' for reliability. I needed a break from the constant expensive repairs after ditching my last Volvo.
Aren't we lucky, though, that we can have so many choices here, and can usually get whatever we want in a car?
BTW, the "Power" button only gives the "sound" of a sports car and doesn't really affect the ride or feel. My Volvos and our Avalon had that same thing, and we never used it. It just puts higher rpm's on the tranny before shifting gears, and uses a little more gas. As for cornering, handling and feel: no different.
Good luck on your search for the right car for you.
#7059 of 8465 Re: LS test drive [hpowders] by famwald
Mar 03, 2005 (4:00 pm)
"BTW, the "Power" button only gives the "sound" of a sports car and doesn't really affect the ride or feel."
Actually, the power button makes a big difference in acceleration. It definitely gives the LS a kick.
#7060 of 8465 Re: LS test drive [hpowders] by famwald [yickwo]
Mar 03, 2005 (4:14 pm)
I agree the power button on the Lexus give a big kick...You notice being pushed back in your seat..