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Lexus LS 400, Lexus LS 430, Sedan
#7003 of 8465 Re: Avalon v.s. '05 LS 430 for dorothyk [famwald]
Feb 25, 2005 (5:19 pm)
Thanks so much for your reply. We have a 2000 Avalon and have had no problems. We do plan on renting a LS 430 for a few days or borrowing one for a few hours from our local dealer. We both have followed this car for a number of years and have read all the glowing reviews. Maybe our expectations were set too high. I know this might sound silly but based on all the reviews we really expected “living room” quiet on the freeway and a silky smooth ride even on rough roads. Our test ride was on a busy 5-lane freeway and the truck, car, and wind noise were more noticeable than expected. This did not match the “whisper quiet” comments that are common in reviews for the LS.
We have noticed that auto reviews do not use a consistent set of criteria when assessing the interior noise level of cars. Some reviewers will note a certain level of noise but say something like “the noise was not bothersome”. Some magazines like Road and Track due assess interior noise levels using a sound meter. In a 2001 review, R&T measured the interior noise level of the Lexus LS 430 at 71 dBA at 70 mph. A typical living room is around 40 dBA. In the auto luxury class, the LS 430 interior noise level is on the high side. Mercedes and BMW have achieved numbers in the middle 64-66 dBA range.
Obviously, some people enjoy the sound of their cars. In our case, we spend a lot of time on So. Cal. freeways, which are increasingly populated with loud trucks, cars and motorcycles. A true measure of a luxury car, in our opinion, is one, which completely insulates you from the noise of the typical road environment. For safety reason, complete isolation is not practical but how about a 60 dBA goal.
#7004 of 8465 Re: Avalon v.s. '05 LS 430 for dorothyk [dorothyk]
Feb 25, 2005 (9:50 pm)
something that would be fun...If you know anyone in the insurance claims business...(The claims dept of a big ins. company) they will often have a device that measures dBAs...or anyone who measures noise levels..Someone tests that stuff at airports and concerts etc.
I once tested a car I owned but don't remember the results.
#7005 of 8465 Re: Avalon v.s. '05 LS 430 for dorothyk [dorothyk]
Feb 26, 2005 (5:07 am)
I would be wary of relying too much on dBA measurements by the autorags. For one thing, you don't know if tests on various cars at different times might have been done with different meters that might not have been properly calibrated. For another, you don't know if the meter/microphone was placed in a consistent place within the vehicle...for instance, in one car it may have been put in the passenger seat, while in another car it might have been put on the floor by a different test driver.
imho the best test is with your own ears, in back to back test drives.
#7006 of 8465 Re: Avalon v.s. '05 LS 430 for dorothyk [dorothyk]
Feb 26, 2005 (5:24 am)
Renting an LS430 for a week or so sounds intriguing. I've been an ardent BMW man for the last 12 years and would really love to try the LS on for size. The normal test drive with a salesperson next to me really doesn't do it.
dorothyk-would you know how I could rent one? Would Lexus dealers be the place to ask?
#7007 of 8465 Noise level...
Feb 26, 2005 (12:02 pm)
First, you can buy a decent db "meter" at radio Shack quite inexpensively.
Summer tires will always, sometimes dramatically, result in a lower noise level inside the car.
~70db at typical highway cruise speed is the typical noise level in most modern day luxury vehicles, including the LS series.
Try and tell the difference between that expensive ML and the factory OEM system in those conditions.
#7008 of 8465 Update on V710 Class Action
Feb 26, 2005 (12:18 pm)
Kirtland and Packard, the firm that is pursuing the class action against Verizon because of the disabled BlueTooth functionality in their Motorola V710 phones, have filed a demand for a national arbitration with Verizon Wireless regarding the Bluetooth issues. You can read a copy of the Arbitration agreement at their website
#7009 of 8465 European Suspension Option
Feb 27, 2005 (5:21 pm)
I have been trying to test drive an LS430 with the European Suspension option for about a year now. My local dealer's response is that if I give them a deposit they will order one and if I dont like it I dont have to buy it. Well I really would prefer to drive one first. Basically I am looking for a car with the size and luxury of the LS, but the performance of a BMW. The local BMW dealer's service department is terrible, so I refuse to give them my money.
Has anyone driven the LS with the Sport suspension and other cars like the BMW 545? Is it even close? I drove the Mercedes E500 and it definitely does not have enough performance. If the LS is comparable it will not cut it.
#7010 of 8465 tom17 : ls430 comparison question
Feb 27, 2005 (6:10 pm)
tom : the ls 430 is in a class by itself . as the owner of many since 1989(1990 model), i would easily argue there is no way to compare it's size and hardware to an e 500 , bimmer 5 series , or anything in that size category .
your lexus dealer has made you a " fair offer "
lexus dealers are in their own " class " .
the last thing lexus people want is trouble . they are the number one in satisfaction . like they said : if you don't like what you ordered ,
don't buy it . the lexus dealers sell every lexus they can get ; and they sell quickly . if you don't want it , someone else will .
if it's in your means to try , there's no reason to be afraid . no i have not driven an " 05 with the optional suspension system .
#7011 of 8465 LS430 sport suspension question
Feb 27, 2005 (8:55 pm)
I live in Southern California, and there are several Lexus dealers. A request like yours is perfectly reasonable, and you would have no difficulty in finding a dealer in Southern California who would let you test drive the LS 430 with the sports suspension. Competition is a wonderful thing. I presume that there are not too many Lexus dealers where you are located. I agree with Mitchellrowe that the LS is an excellent vehicle, but it does not drive like a BMW or Mercedes, even with the sport suspension.
My two cents worth.
#7012 of 8465 Re: European Suspension Option [tom17]
Feb 27, 2005 (10:38 pm)
I was told by a So.Cal. dealer that '05 LS430 is not yet shipping with Sports Suspension system. Don't know if its true.
I have a E320 and the LS does not drive/handle/ride like the E Class. If you really want the German driving dynamnics, then you will be disappointed. As for me, the '05 is not as soft or disconnected to the road as I was lead to believe by various reviews. Frankly, I think the LS is pretty right on as for its balance on ride quality and handling. The LS can be driven hard, but it is just not the same as the Germans (nor was it was designed that way in the first place). Overall, the LS is wonderfully luxurious, and it fells just about as solid as the Germans.
On a different note, I have an issue with comparing the LS to an Avalon. While the Avalon is a fine car (we also have one in the family), Avalon is simply not in the same league as the LS. The LS is far superior in almost every aspect. As for interior noise, I recall that in other discussion topic, some one posted data that showed a particular model of Kia was as quiet or if not more quiet than some luxury cars at highway speed. The bottom line is that just because these cars are all pretty quiet, I would not compare a Kia to an Avolon as I would definately not compare an Avalon to the LS. At best, the Avalon is only comparable to an ES330 (except for interior roominess).