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Lexus LS 400, Lexus LS 430, Sedan
#59 of 8465 Replacement for Driver's Floor Mat
Sep 24, 2000 (11:08 pm)
For some time now, I have been looking for a new replacement driver's floor mat for my 1990 LS 400. The old mat was a light tan color. The dealer informs me that the only new replacement is a darker tan color floor mat. I would like to keep my Lexus all original, so would like to find a new replacement driver's mat for the car with the original color. Can anyone give me a tip on how to obtain one?
#61 of 8465 You need to read the meassage;
Sep 25, 2000 (1:29 pm)
I did not state that I don't take care of my car.
In fact, I am the opposite. Preventive maintaince is my goal. Brakes pads prior to them running thin, oil changes 3-4K, hoses replacements, belts and the list goes on. The car is fairly reliable. The LS400 is a top notch car.
It actually feels very solid still, rides nice and
I get compliments all the time. That said :
the DESIGN and part cost for the car is not porportinate. Especially things like LCD displays as stated in earlier posts.
Reliability and design are 2 diff. things. It can be designed wrong, but still be reilable.
My starter is still working fine and so's the AC.
The starter goes at about 200K.
The fact that the starter is UNDER the intake manifold is questionable. I, as a ME, cannot see benefit from this location. It invites a host of problems that can occur from the removal of a very complex assembly, the intake with all the EFI components, etc. At least what Marsha7 says about the Chrysler is that the Y pipe is just a Y pipe, you'd be hard press reinstall it wrong.
I have seen the arguments that it's a expensive luxury car and so goes the cost. NO , the initial goal of LEXUS was to provide AFFORDABLE luxury cars, I assume that should include the maintence portion as well.
LEXUS is not practicing what they preach.
The LS400 sales have been dwindling since it's introduction, to almost 40% or so.
As the COST skyrockets, the sales will continus to be lack luster. The intro of the LS430 is welcome. But it has yet to "technically" pull FAR away the likes of new RL and Q45. 60-68K for a Japanese car ? That's like paying 32K for a VW Passat.
LEXUS service is top notch and part of that is factor into the cost. But other companies have proven customer service does not have to constitute high costs.
LEXUS is doing something many Co.'s do to make up profit, make up profit from your captive consumer who already own's your product.
Sep 25, 2000 (2:16 pm)
"That's like paying 32K for a VW Passat"
What does it matter what country a car comes from? If Mother Russia or Austrailia can make a car that is as good if not better that its competitors, at a cheaper price, I'll buy it.
#63 of 8465 Scongro
Sep 25, 2000 (3:13 pm)
Doesn't matter what country it comes from. It's base on past "pricing schemes" the Car Maker chose to sell thier cars in. i.e. VW equals value/price ratios have been good until lately.
Passat at the top of the line is 32K, but
they should be closer to Maxima's or Accord EX V6. Out of the marketing scope for that kinda car. I'd expect to pay 26K or so. MAX.
Now LEXUS 34K at 1990 vs LEXUS ~65K 2000
Double the price.
Accords have risen about ~50% in that time.
See the diference.
#64 of 8465 Point Well Taken
Sep 25, 2000 (4:17 pm)
melevk, you have a good point about the costs of service and associated products. I paid my dealer $14+ for each spark plug plus installation--way out of line.
As to the 34K cost of the 90 LS400, that did not include many features that you get for 65K in the 2000 model. Add those features and you would have increaced the price of the 90 by at least 10K. (My 90 with TRACK, CD, Sun Roof, Heated seats, and Memory Adjustments came to better than $40K plus an addional 1.4K for the cell phone. So maybe 65K is not too far off base, especially when you throw in inflation.
Sep 25, 2000 (5:05 pm)
True #67 , 41.5K vs 68K. I didn't take inflation into account but the high tech electronics are supposed to drive down pricing. Old expensive technology is standard fare now.
Look at CDs for example, you could buy a decent CD player now for much less than in 1990, yet I suspect most dealer charges $5-$700 still for that option now vs let's say 800 then ? What their cost to produce the item,which they proabably OEM , is not inline with what we are charged.
Cell phones and IC Chips are a good example of price/performance value.
A car is much more sophisticated of course and I don't see prices dropping. But mfg tooling and techniques cannot change that much, thus production cost should be lower. as it should reflect in the overall cost of the car.
As to service and parts, tooling justification for early 1990's parts have all been written off and it's pure gravey for LEXUS and all car maker.
#66 of 8465 Luxury car costs
Sep 25, 2000 (5:24 pm)
A simple economic rule applies to luxury anything--vehicles, homes, services, whatever--economies of scale. Low-production vehicles such as the LS spread the cost of manufacturing among much fewer vehicles, versus Camry or Accord: I seem to recall 25K for LS versus 400K for Camry. Think also of the quality of the materials. The LS leather alone may cost many times what leather in a Camry would. Also consider the cost of maintaining dealerships at a much higher level of service. My main complaint about Lexus is that there aren't enough dealerships to handle the service volume of 10 years of Lexus sales in the US, thus deteriorating the level of service (longer waits for appointments, drop offs, etc.)
Sep 25, 2000 (5:55 pm)
You have to look at the price of the LS400 next to its competition. Its still a bargain. What Lexus essentially did was move the LS400 up, ans slide the GS series to pick up where the LS was. You have to remember, when the LS400 came out there was only one other choice, the ES250. Now people that want a Lexus have several different avenues they can take. True, the 1990 LS400 sold better than any of the consecutive years, BUT there are now other Lexus models to choose from, get what I'm saying?
Also, chastizing Lexus for raising the price of a LS400 more than Honda raised the price for an Accord is simply idiotic, they are two very different cars in two very different price classes.
Sep 25, 2000 (6:58 pm)
You are comparing a stripped 90 LS, to a loaded 01 LS.