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Lexus LS 400, Lexus LS 430, Sedan
#3929 of 8465 26 Years with Mercedes Makes Me a Lexus Buyer
Feb 27, 2003 (7:31 am)
I have been a Mercedes Benz owner for 26 years, and plan to sell my 2001 CL 500 Coupe to buy a 2004 LS 430. My dealership does not care.
For the first time in a decade, my new MB has problems. The car did not start the day I picked it up at the dealership. To this day, windows work some of the time, and stay down. This creates a chill to the driver in the midst of winter. Shocks flatten out, and must be pumped up to drive if the car sits for a few days. Too much technology to go wrong. I have taken it back for repairs 10 times. They keep it for days at a time trying to learn from the manufacturers mistakes. MB today is certainly not your father's car builder. What happened?
To my point, I have been looking at the LS 430. Drove a few, like them. I realize, they are not a sport vehicle. As we age, comfort takes the place of speed, and, in this case, reliability comes clearly into focus.
From this forum, I understand there will be "remarkable" changes in the 2004 model. Consequently, I am going to stall my purchase until the 04 comes out and I can take a look for myself.
Any thoughts on all this, and knowledge of the new design of the LS 430 for 2004 would be genuinely appreciated. Many thanks for your time and opinions.
Feb 27, 2003 (11:30 am)
I posted this a few days ago, but I'll repost here since you must not have seen it:
I was at the Chicago Auto Show and was able to talk with a Lexus rep (not a salesman, a corporate guy from Lexus' Midwest region).
He said the 2004 LS, due out in the fall, will have revised front and rear styling and 18" wheels on the outside.
On the inside, a revised dashboard, new wood selections and a "big number" of new comfort and convenience interior options will be offered.
He also said the car would have a "smart" key, which isn't really a key, similar to what Mercedes has.
I wanted to ask him more to find out about the specific new features and if the engine would change, but he had to go and I did not have time to return to the Lexus display.
#3931 of 8465 Thanks you Linscap
Feb 27, 2003 (2:36 pm)
Your information from the Lexus rep is much the same data that I have been getting from various sources. Seems this will be a major "skin" change for the LS, although the platform will remain much the same. HP may go up with a tweek. The quality is superior to the MB S Class today. I have been all over my MB's for the past 26 years, and they simply do not produce the quality of craftsmanship as in the past.
My CL 500 had damage to the trunk deck from the factory. They tried to align the hinges to make it fit and it was delivered with cracked plastic in the trunk drip lanes. Had to sand filler out to make the lid fit properly. So much for great workmanship from Germany today. The dealer seems to say, "Well, what do you want for a $93K base price car?"
So far, I am very impressed with Lexus. They have come a long way and certainly provide much more for the price than an S car.
Please let me know if you learn of more information relating to the 2004 LS. Many thanks.
#3932 of 8465 jwilkerson 04 LS 430
Feb 27, 2003 (6:16 pm)
Go to clublexus.com they have a thread there that discusses the 04 LS 430. Also check autospies.com as they also have info on the 04's.
I personally have an 03 LS 430 Ultra Lux and have had "0" problems. Smooth, quiet and passengers love it. Price wise I paid 68K which includes Ultra Lux package, chrome wheels, gold package, wheel locks and trunk mat. I'm sure you can beat this price now. I live in the SE and dealer's are pretty tight.
I also purchased an 03 SC 430 and likewise have ahd "0" problems.
Lexus makes a fine automobile, I'm sure you will be well pleased.
Feb 27, 2003 (7:59 pm)
I have owned lexus cars for a long time now, and I have had one problem with each car, It has been fixed and the service is great. My wife baught a clk convertable, and it is a very nice car. Hopefully she will not have any problems, but if she does I will give a report. I really feel for you having such an awful experience with your very expensive Mercedes. I just wonder about the lemmon laws where you are, and what about just hiring lawyer to represent you? I am sure you would never be treated like that at Lexus, and if for some reason this was to happen to me I would take my own advice. Good luck Tony
#3935 of 8465 LS 430 Eurotuned: Best Tires?
Feb 28, 2003 (8:08 pm)
I've had my new LS 430 for about a month in Northern VA. We've had some snow, to put it mildly. My Dunlop Sport 270s (17") seemed fine when it's dry, but were useless and frightening in the snow. What should I get? The Michelin Pilot Sport AS or something else? (I hear the Michelins are noisy, but way better in weather.)
Mar 01, 2003 (8:31 am)
Now that I've done a little research, I see that my dealer apparently failed to tell the factory when the car was being built that it ha to be equipped with all-season tires -- getting me the Dunlop Sport 270s, which are summer tires. Would have been nice if they had checked with me ot told me that this was happening. What do you think? Should the cost of replacing them be on the dealer? Who in his right mind would have summer tires for a car resident in the DC area? Still interested in views whether the Michelin Sport A/S tires are the ones to get. Thanks!
#3937 of 8465 Snow tires for your Lexus
Mar 01, 2003 (7:25 pm)
I would get dedicated snow tires for your Lexus -- that's what I did for my LS (Blizzaks). I had them changed and remounted each year but when I get my next LS, I will probably put the snows on their own wheels. The cost of the wheels and mounting was far less than my insurance deductible that would be spent on one winter collision. All season tires might be nice on a front wheel drive vehicle and maybe even as brand new LS tires on their first winter but well before the LS tires need to be replaced, they are just not good enough for winter driving here in the midwest.
Mar 02, 2003 (9:43 am)
As I remember, when I got my 2001 the summer tires were the "standard" equipment, and all seasons were a no cost option (I got the standard wheels). I was fortunate that the dealer had exactly the color/options car I wanted arriving in a few days and it also included the all season tires. Is this still the case?