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Lexus LS 400, Lexus LS 430, Sedan
#1504 of 8465 Improvements
Jul 05, 2001 (11:06 pm)
I have a 430 with the Ultra package, with the 17" wheels and summer tires.
"Ability to change destinations on the navigation system while driving." The system is inconsistent on this. You can go to a previous destination, but not a previously Marked Point. The car knows if there is a front seat passenger, so if there is, there should be no restriction on any input into the AV system.
"A hands free telephone system that would accept your phone or a phone and service company of your choice." Absolutely. Sprint, the system they say they are coming out with (much delayed) has terrible service is LA. I mean, terrible.
"More cooling power for the cooled front seats." Agreed. I hardly notice the effect, if any. Plus, the fans have a soft whine when turned up.
"Have the front seat slide rearward a few inches when the key is removed." Good idea.
"Modifying Route determination according to traffic patterns." Terrific idea. Probably requires some items outside of Lexus' direct control (like gather up and integrating traffic data, but they could set up a unit to do it, then sell the data to other auto makers, just like ON STAR provides service to other makers, just branded in that makers name).
"A/C Noise" Ditto. Yes, if the car was not so basically quiet, we would not notice, but I find the rear AC air flow surprisingly loud, considering that a larger vent, or perhaps two vents, might have reduced the noise, without great cost.
AC Zoning Scheme -- The "rear" AC is really the "rear, side" AC. Results in two different air streams, with two temperatures, being sent to the back.
There is a competition between rear seat temperature controller and the dash controls, that I do not understand.
Driver Seat Memory Setting -- You must put the car in park or neutral to save the driver seat memory settings. So, if you make these adjustments while driving, which is not uncommon, but forget to save them once you have stopped, your work is wasted. The Type S Jag lets you save whenever you wish.
Orange Peel -- the car has great paint, but the better the paint and clearcoat on a car, and the better you keep it polished, the more the orange peel shows. The cars show a lot of orange peel when kept polished and waxed. It would not seem that expensive (if done at the factory) to color sand the base coat to get rid of the orange peel then to apply the clear coat. There is a huge difference in appearance when you have no orange peel.
No Mute -- Bizzare
No Memory setting for front passenger seat.
I have owned an LS since day one of the line's creation, purchasing an 1990 LS brand new. I was knocked out by the car (and the service) and have been a fanatic Lexus customer.
I think a little less insistence on perfection went into the 2001 LS 430. Evidence: in and of itself, this is no big deal, but it is a symptom: they did not even bother to spell check the manual, which contains numerous spelling errors (as well as very poor writing in many places). As I said, this is not catastrophic, but it shows a sloppiness that is astonishing for a company I always thought of as "relentlessly pursuing excellence." I have had the car in the shop three times in the two months I have owned it, to correct problems that existed on delivery.
Overall, it IS a very good car, BUT, I think Lexus is slipping. Any doubts I had were erased by the manual errors and the phone situation, both of which were obvious problems and which should never have occurred and which could only have occurred if someone was asleep on the job. I have not thought of Lexus as being asleep on the job.
#1505 of 8465 flint350
Jul 06, 2001 (2:44 am)
There you go again, talking about me and I haven't said a thing in here. I haven't "misrepresented" any "facts" in my past discussions with Lexus folk. Not a one. You don't have squat to back up a statement like that about me. So Pluh..ease.
#1506 of 8465 Another Improvement Suggestion
Jul 06, 2001 (4:27 am)
I find I only use some of the trip computer display info on a regular basis (the ones that are cycled through using display 1)For example, I mainly use distance to empty and elapsed time. It would be useful for the user to be able to program the system to limit the display to certain items. I had a BMW 5 series in the late 80's and you could do that in that car. I would also like the ability to have the clock automatically reset to zero wit each trip as in the RX.
I agree with the air conditioning issues that have been brought up. I have owned every version of LS so far and have not noticed the uncomfortable blasts of cold air before. Pushing the vents towards the ceiling helps but causes a lot of wind noise with my Nokia car kit microphone mounted above. Interestingly if you push the vents towards the passenger side they will stay on that side in "moving vent" mode (even if there is no passenger) until the car is restarted.
To put all of this in perspective, the car is great but nothing is perfect. These are simply constructive suggestions to tweak an amazing product and make it even better.
Jul 06, 2001 (4:39 am)
"To put all of this in perspective, the car is great but nothing is perfect. These are simply constructive suggestions to tweak an amazing product and make it even better."
Couldn't have said it better! And most of the ideas so far shouldn't cost Lexus much to implement either.
Here's another idea... how about sensors that figure out if a driver is drifting out of their lane (I've seen experimental technology that can do this) or worse, off the road? It would have to distinguish that from changing lanes of course, but maybe it could deactivate if the turn signal is engaged in a reasonable amount of time before the lane shift! Would make people signal their intentions, anyway!!
And another one - work with the phone companies to make integrating one's personal cell phone into the car easier! It's crazy no manufacturer has done this yet (to my knowledgwe). Give me a phone slot/connector that makes the portable phone then work seamlessly with the nav/stereo and maybe steering wheel buttons and even voice activation.
These things make a car more convenient AND safer.
#1508 of 8465 re:improvements
Jul 06, 2001 (5:27 am)
bitkahuna, there you go! Quite a list (especially from darbh - most all of which I concur with). But just to clarify my earlier post on this - nearly every one of these items has been previously suggested/discussed as an improvement or problem. I personally have listed the: mute button, poor phone integration, more voice/nav input with passenger present, cruise control improvements, cooling seats, no massage in front seat and some others that escape me just now. The a/c zoning issue is one I find curious as well and could have been handled much better.
This laundry list can and should be continually updated, but since most of it already was discussed earlier, I personally didn't respond to your initial challenge to me - not because I had some false notion of Lexus perfection. And I agree, peace!
#1509 of 8465 RANGE UNTIL EMPTY READINGS
Jul 06, 2001 (5:29 am)
Even after I have filled up w/ gas my range only reads approx 300 miles when I know that 400 plus would be more accurate. It seems to be pretty accurate when my tank gets down to a 1/4 or less but before that it is off by least 50%.
Would like to hear from others if you are having similar experiences. Can this be corrected?
Add to the list of improvments vents in the sunroof shade ala MB. This way you can vent hot air out the sunroof w/o having to open the shade.
#1510 of 8465 RANGE UNTIL EMPTY READINGS by greasykid1
Jul 06, 2001 (6:07 am)
Do you have an LS400 or 430? Our '98 400 always gave a low approx reading right after refueling. Our 430 tends to the high side. The first 7000 miles were mainly highway driving. A couple of times it showed a range over 600 miles! We did drive it over 500 miles before refueling a few times. Now that we have settled down to mostly in-town driving, the range is more realistic, but still initially high, like just over 400. In going over 500 miles on a tank, I discovered that the gas gauge can go completely below the empty mark. The range reading goes to "LOW FUEL" anywhere from 40 to 80 miles remaining, depending on recent driving patterns. All-in-all, I find we are refueling with less remaining in the tank than we did with the LS400.
Jul 06, 2001 (6:57 am)
You mentioned you have 17" wheels with summer tires.I have a 2002 LS 430 on order.I was told they only come with low profile tires and since I wanted a more comfortable ride,I have to pay $500.00 extra to trade them out when car arrives at dealer.Is this what you did?And,what summer tire did you choose and are you satisfied?
#1512 of 8465 Need Residual and Lease Factor Information
Jul 06, 2001 (1:53 pm)
I am about to buy/lease a new LS430 with NAV/LEV, and the apparantly mandatory Lexus Link (is it really so?). Can anyone provide me with the Residual and lease factors for a 48 month lease? Did they change today? A dealer told me so. Wha tis the best (good price, reliable end-of-lease, fewest junk charges) lease source? How does Toyota Motor Credit Corp (Lexus Financial) compare with any other optiosn out there? Any information would help... I am an old Lexus LS owner, ahving owned on since 1990. This would be my third one...
Jul 06, 2001 (2:05 pm)
We have a NAV/LEV/Sport Suspension without Lexus Link. Didn't lease.