Last post on Feb 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM
You are in the BMW 5-Series
What is this discussion about?
BMW 5 Series, Sedan
#8723 of 12737 Comparisons Over Time: World Has Changed
Apr 13, 2004 (9:49 am)
sdg380... Think the issue isn't where BMW was in comparison to others but where it is today. Review after review of the E60 5 Series points out the ambivilence (sp?) of so many reviewers. The new 5 Series just doesn't stand out like the E39. It always has one or more issues with each reviewer: in areas like styling, price, electronic gadgety, iDrive, value, etc. That wasn't the case in 1997 or 2000.
Not to mention that the competition today is immensely better than it was in 1996 when the E39 came out (as a MY1997). Just think how few cars seriously competed with it in 1997.
But the picture has changed today. The E60 faces RWD cars like Cadillac CTS, Infiniti G35, Lincoln LS, Jaguar S-type, Lexus GS300/430, MB E-class, etc. and seriously improved FWD cars like TL. Not to mention AWD cars (e.g., A6).
In today's market, the 525i stands out for its high price (lowest base MSRP is now over $40,000) in light of its performance and utility.
I don't buy a car because of the marque. I buy a car because of the car. I've always felt sorry for those buyers who are more interested in being seen riding in the "right" car rather than looking out while driving a great car.
#8724 of 12737 riez, IMO, you're wrong about the 525i, but
Apr 13, 2004 (9:05 pm)
I agree with you regarding the E60 525i.
This is my second 525i (1995 and 2003). I bought the car because it IS a BMW. And it IS the benchmark in its class. There is a lot to be said about the chasis, the handling, the steering, and the acoutrements (sp?). It's not always about hp and torque. My 525 is plenty fast and I don't need to have the 530 or the 540 (E39) to "prove" to anyone, that I have the "ultimate driving machine." How fast is fast? Where can one drive 0-60 in 5.5 seconds and not get pulled over and get ticketed? Montana? Wyoming? Please. Come on. For someone that wants the ultimate benchmark sports sedan, the the 5 series is the way to go and it DOESN'T have to be a 540i riez. (Didn't you trade it in and get a Lexus?)
And, the G35? The TL? Please. Both fine cars, but they are NOT as refined as my Bimmer. I test drove both of them and they did not come up to the level of the Bimmer, even with the additional hp or torque.
Now, I will agree with riez about the styling of the new 2004 E60 5 series. I really dislike the look and the price. The front looks like a Pontiac and the back looks like a Hyundai. That is obviously my personal opinion, but if vicmac likes the vehicle and likes the looks, the fit and finish and the way the car handles, then he should buy the Bimmer. If he's looking to just go faster and/or he cannot justify the value then by all means he should go with the TL or as riez suggested the G35. Those are fine cars. But IMO, they are NOT the BMW.
#8725 of 12737 525i Manual Sport
Apr 14, 2004 (4:30 am)
bmwmrc... Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree? As I've said repeatedly before, I think the 525i (esp. an E39) is a very good car IF you have one with manual transmission and Sport Pkg AND keep the options down. BUT a 525ia non-Sport loaded with options is a rather expensive mundane automobile. I'm much less impressed with the E60, esp. due to changes related to the Sport Pkg, including tires.
Remember test driving an early MY2003 E39 525ia. MSRP was nearly $43,000. Almost had to push the car to get it to accelerate decently. [Even my wife complained and she had a '00 323ia at the time. We both thought someone would be paying way too much for way too little.]
A 525ia non-Sport, no matter how you slice it, is not the ultimate driving machine. Not even close.
#8726 of 12737 Spelling queries
Apr 14, 2004 (5:27 am)
How 'bout pressing the spell check button. Riez, a guy who reads as much as you and is punctilious, fastidious. Shame on you.
#8727 of 12737 Re: Vicmac--I'll help [sdg380 #8717]
Apr 14, 2004 (6:33 am)
Thanks for the help in making a decision. I have been thinking and talked to my wife about it. I think I will try to get a 530i if I can get that aroung 50K with just PP,Auto,Xenon.Assuming that I order and it takes 8 weeks so I dont have to pay for the car and save that and to be satisfied with the purchase. I will keep you updated if I can make a deal on the price, Anything above we decided not to go for because there is no end for the temptation.
Thanks for all your valuable suggestions
#8728 of 12737 Spelling
Apr 14, 2004 (7:07 am)
designman... Think I used that feature once and it messed things up. I didn't want to go downstairs to pull out my well worn copy of Webster's Unabridged 3rd International. Darn thing weighs 20 pounds.
#8729 of 12737 Re: Vicmac--I'll help [sdg380 #8717] [vicmac #8727]
Apr 14, 2004 (12:42 pm)
Another option is a low mileage 2003 CPO. I just bought a 2003, manual transmission w/ SP, PP, CWP and xenon. The car has 5300 miles, has the new car smell and feel. Having 95,000 miles left on the warranty plus 5.5 years is very appealing to me. I paid $42k which I thought was fair (not great) since a similar new E60 would be 10k more and less of a warranty. Just a thought.
#8730 of 12737 Re: Vicmac--I'll help [sdg380 #8717] [vicmac #8727]
Apr 14, 2004 (5:11 pm)
The capitalized cost on my '04 530i with Step, PP, Xenon, CWP and Nav was $49,990. You should be able to get what you want for well under $50k.
#8731 of 12737 Tire Follow up
Apr 14, 2004 (5:17 pm)
I always appreciate the follow ups on this post so I will regale you all with my tire purchase simply as an FYI.
I could not stand the noise my orig. Conti Contact Sports were making (after 22K miles) so I investigated other brands, speed ratings, all season, summer etc. I chose the Bridgestone RE950 Potenza 235/45-17 H rated tire and am delighted with them. They are all season tires (not tested on the snow yet), but are smooth, quiet, tight and handle like a champ. I'll see how they do after 22K miles, but my sense is they will do just fine.
I researched this purchase for at least 6 days and am happy I did. There are certainly other brands and styles to consider, but if you look at TheTire Rack and read the reviews and ratings you will be hard pressed to find a better value. Only my opinion fwiw......