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#8611 of 12737 Auto prices
Mar 14, 2004 (7:53 pm)
If I remember correctly, the annual price increase of an existing BMW model is typically less than the inflation rate. For example, I think the price increase on my 2002 540i was a few hundred dollars more than the 2001 540i. Anyone remember the base price of the 540i for MY 1997? Curious to see the percentage increase from 1997 - 2003 for the E39.
As a side note...I was next to a 2004 Lincoln Aviator (remember...a midsize SUV) with the sticker still attached and MSRP was a whopping $54K. I was shocked. I am not trying to degrade the Aviator, but $54K+ for a midsize Lincoln?!?!
Mar 15, 2004 (6:25 am)
you need to remember is that BMW's typically go for a price somewhere between invoice and sticker, while many (if not most) Lincolns go for less than invoice, often many thousands less.
I'm not sure why they do it, but they do. Town Cars and LS's that go for $10K off sticker are not all that uncommon. I'm not so sure about the trucks, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were similar. I guess it helps maintain an artificial "exclusive" image to those who don't pay much attention.
#8613 of 12737 What is in a sport's package
Mar 15, 2004 (9:05 am)
I have a 540it now and decided that is too pedestrian, so I plan to upgrade. As I mentioned in prior posts, I have thought about the M5 or even Audi S4, but I might just go with a newer 540i with a sport's package. I am not entirely clear on what the sports package includes, tighter suspension and performance tires? How much of it is in the tires? Would it make more sense to get it without the sports package (harder to find) or do an after market upgrade (possibly better parts?). Thanks.
As an aside, when I bought my 540it I got a good deal on it. One of the reasons I bought is was I thought I could easily get my money out of it. But while I did get a good deal, the combination of going out of warranty and perhaps the new BMW model means the car dropped around 25-30% in value in a year (but only around 10-15% from what I paid, $30,500 for a 2000 with under 30,000 miles on purchase 10 months ago).
#8614 of 12737 Changing Prices over Time
Mar 15, 2004 (10:48 am)
stl540... When looking at price changes over time you have to take into account at least three factors:
1. Any changes in standard/optional equipment. Over time, most cars, including E39 5 Series, added standard equipment.
2. Changes in per unit production costs based on amortization/depreciation of plant & equipment and development costs, as well as changes to per unit production over time as they "learn" how to build the car for less and get better deals from suppliers. The per unit production cost of E39 5 Series declined throughout the production run. The initial cars are the most expensive for the company to manufacturer. Per unit costs fall over time.
3. Exchange rate changes: When the E39 was introduced in CY1996 as a MY1997, Germany still used Deutsche Mark (though the EU was going thru an adjustment period prior to the Euro's introduction). During the E39 production run, the DM went away and was replaced by the Euro. The Euro started out at about 1 Euro=$1.17. Euro fell to about $.88. In past 2 years it has risen 50%, so it is now closer to $1.25.
#8615 of 12737 540i's and Sport Pkg
Mar 15, 2004 (10:52 am)
diver110... Are you talking 540i6 or 540ia? The 540i6 essentially came standard with the Sport Pkg. The contents of the Sport Pkg changed over time.
The 540ia Sport added the numerically higher (3.15:1) final drive. This improved acceleration compared to the other automatics (with the 2.82:1 final drive) but also reduced fuel economy. The 540ia Sport suffered from gas guzzler tax like the 540i6.
A big plus for Sport Pkg is the Sport Seats! Sometimes owners opted for the optional Comfort Seats. Sport Pkg cars come with bigger, high performance (summer/3-season) tires and revised suspension components.
Regardless of car, any 5 Series will benefit from the Sport Pkg. Only way to go!
#8616 of 12737 went to Volvo s60 R
Mar 15, 2004 (3:30 pm)
In spite of a planned trip to Germany in May, my wife and I chose not to purchase a 530. We just couldn't warm up to it.
Volvo s60R has 300 HP and great styling, pretty good handling.
May decide to get a used 530 next Jan.
thanks for all of the great posts on the BMW site
#8617 of 12737 what didn't you like?
Mar 15, 2004 (3:54 pm)
Mar 15, 2004 (3:55 pm)
Could you define "better parts?" And the SP does include a few different suspension bits, at least in '03. In addition, wheel/tire sizing is larger.
#8619 of 12737 All wheel drive
Mar 18, 2004 (8:19 am)
Out of curiosity, everything else being equal, would all-wheel drive handle better than rear wheel? If so, why haven't more companies gone to it? Expense.
#8620 of 12737 diver110... AWD
Mar 18, 2004 (10:23 am)
I think it's a matter of demand. Yet Audi and Subaru are convinced.
One of these days I expect AWD to get a lot of PR. When this happens it should take off. It's safer and has better performance for every day driving.
The only hit against it is a marginal difference in acceleration and extra weight. I point to the slightly lower acceleration time between the Porsches C2 and C4S. Yet the AWD C4S is very desirable among enthusiasts and has the highest resale value among Porsches and every car on the face of the earth.
I expect to see more AWD sedans in the future. Aside from the all-weather advantages, cornering under power with AWD is unbeatable. I don't think BMW has hitchhiked onto it because it doesn't fit their techie agenda and they have their irons in too many fires as it is. Glad to see MB and others option it.
Is that S4 beckoning?