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#8296 of 12737 AtomicPunk
Jan 31, 2004 (4:54 pm)
According to employees18's first post (contrary to his second) about his swapping an E39 for an E60, he informed us that he swapped a 525i for a 530i. That being the case, there is no comparison between the two; the 530i will blow the 525i away, period. I have heard plenty of folks say that they cannot tell the difference, sorry, not buying, there is a very stubstantial difference.
The BMWs that I have a fair amount of seat time in (ordered slowest to fastest, all with 5-Speed manual transmissions) a 2001 325i, 1999 528i (E46), 1999 328i, and a 2002 530i. The 325i was WAY slower than the 528i, which was noticeably but not horribly slower than the 328i, which in turn was noticeably slower than the 530i. Of the four cars, only the 328i and the 530i were strong enough for my tastes. The 325i was, I'm sorry to say, unacceptable, and the 528i was almost there.
#8297 of 12737 Riez...excuse me but
Jan 31, 2004 (6:06 pm)
with all due respect, I don't think you know what you're talking about with regard to the '03 E39 525i. I have the automatic, premium and SP, and the car FLIES! This is my second 5 series and I could not justify another $3,800 for 41 HP! My car goes 0-60 in less than 8 seconds, handles beautifully (as well as any other E39) and I paid $37K for a brand spanking new one in Southern California! If I had to pay $45k, yes, you are right it's not worth it. This purchase however, is!
So, I'm absolutely THRILLED with my decision and don't miss the extra HP at all.
Now, as far as the E60 goes, I DON'T like the new design on the outside and the inside looks and feels cheap and austere. And yes, I test drove the car. In the final analysis, I am very happy I bought my '03 525i over the new Bangle bungle.
P.S. In case some of you didn't know, Bangle has left BMW. Hmmmm, wonder why? Do you think it's because many former BMW owners think the new evolutionary design is a step in the WRONG direction? Time will tell with the 5. The 7 however, is taking a bath on resale as well as many disatisfied customers, who have turned them back in and have bought other luxury brands.
Jan 31, 2004 (8:37 pm)
I agree that an automatic transmission equipped 525i, with PP and SP is a fine automobile, it is clear however that you and I have very different definitions of what the statement, "the car FLIES", means. In my experience the 2.5 liter engine is not one with enough power to make an automatic equipped anything "FLY". For that matter, I wouldn't even claim that my manual transmission equipped 530i "FLIES". It's quick to be sure, nearly 2 seconds to 60 quicker than a 525iA, and it is fast enough for my purposes, but it doesn't "FLY".
As for a 525iA being able to get to 60 in less than 8 seconds, hmmm, well maybe if it's -20 degrees outside with the wind to your back.
#8299 of 12737 Performance Comparison
Feb 01, 2004 (5:31 am)
bmwmrc.... Looks like shipo and I are on the same page. NO 323i/325i or 525i automatic "flies".
My wife's former '00 323ia (2.5L I6) was a decent car but had little accelerative performance. Not quite a dog, but nothing to write home about. And that car is lighter than your 525i. She had PP but not SP. Fortunately for you, your's has the critical Sport Pkg, so at least your's handles much better than her's.
You might compare your 525ia's performance to less expensive cars like the former Acura TL Type S or new Acura TL, Infiniti G35, or Lexus IS300.
Or take one serious drive in a 530i Sport.
Or you should've taken a serious ride in my former '98 540i6. Now she flew!
Here are BMW's (conservative) 0-60 mph time estimates for MY2003 E39:
525ia= 8.3 secs
540ia Sport= 6.1
8.3 seconds is mediocre at best and very poor in relation to the 5 Series' competitors.
#8300 of 12737 Gotta agree...
Feb 01, 2004 (5:43 am)
Yup, I'll bet Riez's former 540i6 did in fact "FLY".
Feb 01, 2004 (7:04 am)
Thank you for the history of your BMW's and related observations on their power. I'm not sure why I have the pleasure of receiving this information, but I thank you nonetheless!
None of that affects my statement -- and employee18's post of record -- that comparing engine performance between the E39 530i and the E60 530i is "fair."
#8302 of 12737 Comparison: 525i vs 525i or 530i vs 530i
Feb 01, 2004 (7:19 am)
atomicpunk... I thought employees18 was comparing his former E39 525i to his new E60 530i. I, like shipo, fail to see the comparison. I agree with you, though, that it is fair to compare an E39 530i to an E60 530i.
#8303 of 12737 I agree with bmwmrc
Feb 01, 2004 (8:05 am)
Furthermore “flying” is relative to the driver’s expectation. 8.3 to 7.0 is not a big difference. The average driver probably can’t even tell the difference. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if BMW tweaked the numbers to help justify the cost difference between the 525 and 530.
525 with NOTHING is a good car.
BTW, if you ever run into a trooper doing a confident 120 in a 525 try telling him that it doesn’t fly.
#8305 of 12737 Only employees18 Knows--Please Help
Feb 01, 2004 (9:32 am)
employees18... Please help us understand your situation.
What was your MY2003 E39 BMW 5 Series? A 525i or a 530i? What was its MSRP? What options did it have? How many miles did you drive it? How many months did you own it?
Please do same for your E60 530i. MSRP? Options?