BMW 5-Series Sedans

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#8061 of 12737 pen101 by div2

Dec 10, 2003 (9:28 am)

Good analysis; from an ergonomic standpoint, the radio in my 1999 Jeep beats my two BMW radios hands down. Why? BECAUSE IT HAS A TUNING KNOB!!! Now as for sound quality, it's superior to the 5er and comes in a distant second to the 3er-but thats another topic.
There is a simple fix for clutch woes-BMW put a clutch delay valve(CDV) in the slave cylinder hydraulic circuit. It's purpose is to help cushion abrupt shocks to the drivetrain, but it also makes the clutch difficult to modulate. The best way to eliminate the problem is to replace your CDV with a modified unit. See: http://www.zeckhausen.com/CDV.htm

#8062 of 12737 div by hicaira

Dec 10, 2003 (10:42 am)

Any warranty concerns if I do the CDV fix? If so, excluding the clutch (which is not covered anyway) what driveline components might they deny? Also, since this is a lease, whoul I have to switch it back later? (i.e., would they notice?)
 
I have found the combination of hard to modulate clutch and the traction control (turned on in slick conditions), make 1-2 shifts a pain. I'd rather spin the tires than get the uneven acceleration I have now. Less of a problem in the dry with TC off, but still poorly modulated. Dealer claims (correctly), they all do that: get used to it.
 
HiC

#8063 of 12737 Xenon conversions by tlmmhowell

Dec 10, 2003 (10:50 am)

Anyone know if there is a xenon conversion worth the $$?

#8064 of 12737 Touch Screen by designman

Dec 10, 2003 (1:50 pm)

Touch screen would be a big improvement but costs more... and it doesn't completely solve ergonomic problems as there are still too many moves. With regard to driving, the best ergonomic designs still require dedicated controls and gauges. It may seem low-tech but so does the wheel. We had the wherewithal to recognize the ergonomic benefits of analog. Perhaps we can expect a similar "discovery" in this latest round of digital gambits.

#8065 of 12737 designman by erickpl

Dec 10, 2003 (2:01 pm)

I agree. Anything taking eyes off the road can be a problem. But touch screen would help. Voice activation of the common features would be great. I thought the Idrive had some, but this is what I have in mind...
 
"RADIO"
"FM"
"Station 1" or
"95.5"
 
"Climate"
"Air"
"71 (degrees)"
 
"Eject"
"Passenger"
"Front"
BOOM
 
err
"Open Roof"
"Eject"
"Passenger"
"Front"
WOOSH

#8066 of 12737 erickpl by designman

Dec 10, 2003 (2:15 pm)

...great Bud Light commercial. With voice rec... "Later for the guy ridin' shotgun!"

#8067 of 12737 hicaira by div2

Dec 10, 2003 (2:51 pm)

Well, I suppose that
1.IF the dealer was a jerk
AND
2.That dealer knew the CDV was gutted
then that dealer could try to deny coverage for any driveline part from the clutch back. Some cretinous dealers comb the CCA chapter newsletters for autocross results so they can deny coverage on cars that competed. IMHO I doubt anyone would ever notice; I'll bet that a large percentage of BMW dealer techs think that a clutch delay valve is something you buy at an adult bookstore.

#8068 of 12737 erickpl... by sdg380

Dec 10, 2003 (3:06 pm)

You sound familiar--
 
"Tea"
"Earl Grey"
"Hot"
 
sorry, too much idiot box

#8069 of 12737 sdg by erickpl

Dec 10, 2003 (3:13 pm)

Make it so.
 
My intent there was to show that the commands could be very simple. Simple commands would make the voice recog part easier to get working in a car producing noise (wind, road, electrical, etc) and have it work reliably. You wouldn't want to try and program recog software to recognize "Tune the radio to 95.5 and set the air conditional to 71 degrees."
 
Even IBM can do voice recog when the words are simple. It would just be a matter of providing the owner with the software's vocabulary. Better yet, allow programming of phrases into the unit and having it do several functions at once...
 
Example:
"Cool down the car" could turn the AC to max, roll down the windows a bit, pop the sunroof, and lower the rear shade. That'd be cool (no pun intended)
 
-Paul
 
-Paul

#8070 of 12737 BMWNA Payments by chpqdk

Dec 10, 2003 (4:17 pm)

I have read read on one of these message boards that BMWNA makes a percentage payment to the dealer on every car sold. As I understand it this percentage is based on the dealer's customer and quality ratings. Does anyone know what these percentages are or where I can find out? Thanks
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