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#7859 of 12737 I love my '03 5
Nov 05, 2003 (10:23 pm)
I bought my '03 and sold my 1995 5. I remember when the E39 replaced my beautiful fully loaded 1995 5. I thought the evolution from the old 5 to the new 5 was progressive without being oppressive. The new changes were a welcome change that MADE SENSE. The new E60 is not!
The new E60 feels like it was forced. As if BMW didn't know exactly how to improve on a car that Consumer Reports last year said, "It's the best car we've ever tested."
I don't despise the E60. I just think the changes made were NOT evolutionary. They weren't even radical. I feel as if the changes were made to just make changes. To me it's BANGLE'S BUNGLE.
I could have purchased an '03 or an '04. Hands down, I chose an '03. And I'm thrilled! Happy motoring all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 06, 2003 (6:27 am)
The E39 looks long in the tooth compared to the E60. The E39 is a sharp looking car and BMW did a great job in moving it forward.
I don't share the view the E60 is a "Bangles Blunder". That's that makes this forum fun, reading the passionate opinions.
Nov 06, 2003 (6:35 am)
That's great, glad you like the E60. Better yet- you like the E60 without disparaging those who don't like it nor do you come off as a touter on some stock market message board : )
#7864 of 12737 Top in segment
Nov 06, 2003 (7:13 am)
It's a 5 board ........
Here's the top vehicles in this segment.
1. 545i sport, jet black, 6-speed
2. 545i sport, jet black, SMG
3. 545i sport, black sapphire, 6-speed
4. 545i sport, black sapphire, SMG
5. 545i sport, silver gray, 6-speed
6. 545i sport, silver gray, SMG
7. 545i sport, jet black, auto
8. 545i sport, black sapphire, auto
9. 545i sport, silver gray, auto
10.530i sport, jet black, 6-speed
#7865 of 12737 E60 5 Series Issues
Nov 06, 2003 (8:00 am)
Think there are at least five major issues with the E60:
1. Styling: This is purely personal preference. Either you like it or you don't. (Personally, I do like the exterior but do not like the interior, esp. the dash.)
2. Performance: Appears all who have driven it rave. It is a great performing car. (The electric steering might be a slight concern.)
3. Engineering/Design (e.g., iDrive, ergonomics, human-car interface): Here is where I believe the car stumbles compared to both E39 as well as other cars. Better than the even worse E65 7 Series, but still works against making it easy, natural, and intuitive to fully enjoy driving the car.
4. Price: Price seems to have risen dramatically from E39, esp. when looking at MSRPs on dealers' lots.
5. Long-term ownership: Will all the electronic bells and whistles make the car costly to own in long run or unreliable? Only time will tell. I wouldn't want the first 2 model years of this platform. Think there will be a lot of bugs to work out.
Nov 06, 2003 (9:19 am)
Yes, considering that they never worked out the bugs on the e39 I can see where that may be a concern.
Drove a co-workers new e60 yesterday at lunch. Liked it better than I thought I would. Interior was actually an ergonomic improvement over the e39 (and I can see how it should save BMW a bundle in costs), but I expect the i-drive will take some getting used to. In two weeks, the owner feels he's mastered "most" of the functions - at least those that are important to driving. Oh, and HVAC has big round knobs that work independently of the i-drive. Smart move.
No comment on the exterior. Beauty in a Bimmer is much more than skin deep.
#7867 of 12737 riez and mch2
Nov 06, 2003 (9:20 am)
mch2, glad you get where I was going, it was simply to point out a totally understandable resistance to a totally different departure for the 5.
IIRC, the previous 5 was around since 1996? Can't really blame them.
riez, your No.3 makes a whole lot of sense. To me, this compares to the S-Type which was offensive to many Jaguar fans, that oval interior dash was redone a few years after to mimic the very popular XJ and X-Type layout. I wouldn't doubt it if the interior would be the first redesign before the interior.
Personally, I thought that the 5er interior was looking tired and dated, maybe an interior slightly less innovative or adventurous would have been better.
If anything, BMW has a lot of people talking about their cars.