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BMW...wel... by asteinberg
Apr 01, 2008 (5:41 pm)
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I can understand your skepticism. I was conflicted on the decision.
I rarely use the navigation system, so I accept its below-par, obsolete operation.
The six memory buttons allow me to put some satellite and AM there, without the cumbersome IDrive to switch.
The gear shift is entirely counter-intuitive -- forward to reverse, back to drive.
I'm in this now for a 2 year relatively cost-effective lease.
But I can't believe there won't be more competition in the performance field, and without BMWs cavalier attitude that includes disregard of no-brainer features available in automobiles that cost far less.
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Re: BMW...wel... [asteinberg] by carnaught
Apr 02, 2008 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: asteinberg (Apr 01, 2008 5:41 pm)

The six memory buttons allow me to put some satellite and AM there, without the cumbersome IDrive to switch.
The gear shift is entirely counter-intuitive -- forward to reverse, back to drive.

 
Actually, I don't mind the iDrive. The concept is great but it just needs to be continually improved. It is particularly great though with use of the Bluetooth phone, the way the phonebook completely downloads and updates on the iDrive screen.
 
If you think about it, all A.T. gear shifts utilize the "back to drive" motion from park.
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Re: BMW...wel... [carnaught] by asteinberg
Apr 02, 2008 (12:05 pm)
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Replying to: carnaught (Apr 02, 2008 9:04 am)

Look, I like the I-Drive results in less clutter on the dash.
But it works unproductively.
For example, when you press navigation, it should automatically default to the navigation system.
It's a hassle to be able to look at a map while you're doing something else.
The screen itself is too small.
I could go on and on.
It requires too many steps for simple functions.
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I do agree with you that the Blue Tooth function works well.
But the problem with BMW is a general user-unfriendliness, especially notable for the navigation system, which does little compared to competitive models, where you can enter a telephone number, or a store name, and then it supplies you with the address; or enter an address even if you do not know the city name, and other systems default to the closest addresses, in order of proximtym, such as 18 Elm Street, Elm City, 18 Elm Street, San Francisco, etc.
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Re: BMW...wel... [asteinberg] by carnaught
Apr 02, 2008 (4:30 pm)
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Replying to: asteinberg (Apr 02, 2008 12:05 pm)

(bop on the head) Oh ! You could have had a Lexus. (LOL)
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Re: BMW...wel... [asteinberg] by ny540i6
Apr 02, 2008 (5:24 pm)
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Replying to: asteinberg (Apr 02, 2008 12:05 pm)

This is so funny to me... I keep having this picture of most of us showing off all the cool features of our new cars to our friends.... and you sitting there saying " Here are all the reasons the new sled sucks."
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Re: BMW...wel... [ny540i6] by tayl0rd
Apr 03, 2008 (5:50 am)
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Replying to: ny540i6 (Apr 02, 2008 5:24 pm)

In fairness, the BMW navigation system is hands down the worst I've ever used. It's counter-intuitive and borderline illogical when it comes to finding a destination. After you've spent 15 minutes trying to figure out what CATEGORY your desired destination is in, the guidance is nice. That is, until you get near your destination. In my last car, the nav would tell me my destination is X distance ahead on the left/right/straight ahead. This nav simply says "you have arrived" even though my ultimate destination is nowhere in site. I'll admit, though, that I do have a little chuckle every time she says, "You have arrived." Just the connotation of it...
 
And don't get me started on the ventilation system! Hot weather is fast approaching, and I'm feverishly trying to figure out how I'm going to get it to keep me cool this summer with the automatic settings.
 
I'm not throwing out the baby with the bath water, though. I'm enjoying the car otherwise.
 
'08 BMW 550i Sport w/ 6-speed manual.
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Re: E60 528 [jb_shin] by bruceomega
Apr 03, 2008 (12:12 pm)
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Replying to: jb_shin (Mar 31, 2008 4:54 pm)

Are you sure the 528 loaner had run flat tires?
 
I just went to the BMW web site, and the standard tires on the 528 are 17 x 7.5 Star Spoke (Style 138) cast alloy wheels, 225/50R-17 all-season tires, with no mention of being runflats. I went through the Build Your Own process, without checking the sport package option, and I found no wheel / tire option available.
 
I stayed with the standard wheel / tire package on my 535Xi to specifically avoid run flat tires. Perhaps the ride quality you mentioned was due in part to not having run flat tires.
 
Bruce
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Re: E60 528 [bruceomega] by jb_shin
Apr 03, 2008 (2:38 pm)
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Replying to: bruceomega (Apr 03, 2008 12:12 pm)

You are right. I had assumed all E60 came with the run flats, as does E90 I had last time.
 
The second day I had the car, I was able to do more driving and while I still love the engine, the brakes positively sucked! Hard to modulate and not progressive at all.
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Re: BMW...wel... [tayl0rd] by lovemyclk
Apr 03, 2008 (4:07 pm)
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Apr 03, 2008 5:50 am)

This is why I place my $$'s into BMW options that enhance the driving experience so I can enjoy the baked-in driving characteristics unique to the brand. I will NEVER spend $1800-2000+ for any confounding option when a perfectly simple solution of a cell phone and $2 map will get it done. I appreciate the latest technologies and make my living with advanced software applications, but unless it makes my driving experience better, I won't consider it... but that's just me. Give me the magic suspension setup, worldclass powertrain and general engineering excellence technology can offer and hold the Active Steering! This way, I have little to complain about!
 
I've gone 55 years without a nav system and have never missed one. Somehow, I have arrived at every single destination I set out to find after entering my car without relying on a small screen I could not recognize without my "cheaters" When the value proposition becomes so compelling that I can't live without it, maybe it will be time to consider nav... just isn't there yet, imo.
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Re: BMW...wel... [tayl0rd] by carnaught
Apr 03, 2008 (4:41 pm)
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Apr 03, 2008 5:50 am)

And don't get me started on the ventilation system! Hot weather is fast approaching, and I'm feverishly trying to figure out how I'm going to get it to keep me cool this summer with the automatic settings.
 

 
You must be extremely overweight or have a glandular problem (LOL). I live in the sunbelt and the a/c freezes me out in summer.
 
Geez, why do some people buy/lease BMW's if their Nav. and drink holders are so bad?

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