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Re: I think I'm going for the 5 [shipo] by roadburner
Sep 18, 2007 (6:15 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Sep 18, 2007 11:00 am)

Have you read some of the recent posts on BITOG concerning direct injection engines and oil life? I've had an interest in the topic ever since I picked up my Mazdaspeed3. From what I've read, it looks like many of the new DI engines are showing moderate to high levels of fuel dilution in the oil. The worst offenders appear to be the BMW N54 twin turbo, the Audi RS4 4.2L V8, and the Mazda DISI 2.3L turbo- in that order. Terry Dyson is reporting that the N54 will pretty much destroy Mobil 1 0w-40 in only 1000 miles. He states:
 
"I just worked a 07 335 Biturbo yesterday USING ASTM lab tests on the used oil and M1 0w40 went from VOA flash of 430+F to 280 F in 1150 miles, oil sheared to 12.1 cSt and fuel was at 1.99% by IR."
 
Now granted, this is data from only one forum and one expert's opinion, but it is something to consider. Combine the fuel dilution with the high oil temperatures seen on the N54 and I'm thinking that these engines may not last much over 100K -if that long- especially if the oil changes only take place at 15K intervals. And, while neither manufacturer requires the use of synthetic oil, Mazda calls for 5K changes on the DISI and Subaru has just announced that a 3.7K OCI is mandatory for all of their turbo motors.
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Re: I think I'm going for the 5 [roadburner] by shipo
Sep 18, 2007 (6:33 pm)
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Replying to: roadburner (Sep 18, 2007 6:15 pm)

No I've been beyond busy what with our planned move to Hong Kong, our trip over there to pick out schools and an apartment, the "putting on hold" of that plan by the company and then our return to New Hampshire to undo all of the things we'd put in place (not to mention re-enrolling our kids in their old school and practically begging the soccer coach to let my son try out a week late and then make space for him in an already full roster). Geez, I've managed to keep up with what's going on here in the TownHall, but the other boards that I post on have been almost completely ignored as a result, BITOG included.
 
Regarding the UOA from the 335i, hmmm, don't sound too good. That said, I find myself wondering what kind of driving regimen that car was exposed to. Manhattan traffic? Road Atlanta on weekends and garaged during the week? Local errands and no chance to get fully warmed up? I kind of think something like the above was going on to cause the owner to pay for a UOA after only 1,150 miles.
 
Another thought, was the 335i tested one of the early models sans oil cooler? I may have time in the next few days to nose around over there and have a look-see.
 
Thanks for the "heads-up".
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: I think I'm going for the 5 [topspin628] by nyccarguy
Sep 18, 2007 (8:20 pm)
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Replying to: topspin628 (Sep 18, 2007 9:00 am)

New 5er is definitely a nice ride. Make sure you drive both cars back to back (xi vs. i). My Mom who turns 59 in a few weeks, has an '05 530iA (non-sport) that she loves. Her lease is up at the end of December. Last week she went to the dealer and drove a 528xi (she's on the AWD kick like the rest of the northeast, I don't agree with it but then again I don't make the payments either). She drove the 528xi and commented on how rough the ride was and how heavy the car felt. She actually ordered a 328xi.
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Re: I think I'm going for the 5 [nyccarguy] by bruceomega
Sep 19, 2007 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: nyccarguy (Sep 18, 2007 8:20 pm)

nyccarguy,
 
Very interesting: "She drove the 528xi and commented on how rough the ride was and ..... ordered a 328xi."
 
I traded in an '06 330Xi for a 535Xi as I did not like the harshness in the 330Xi's ride. To me, the 535Xi has a noticeably smoother ride.
 
Thanks
Bruce
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Re: I think I'm going for the 5 [bruceomega] by rbleland
Sep 19, 2007 (7:58 am)
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Replying to: bruceomega (Sep 19, 2007 6:47 am)

Agree - test drove both (335xi vs 535xi) extensively recently, and the 5er is much smoother in the ride dept.
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Re: I think I'm going for the 5 [bruceomega] by nyccarguy
Sep 19, 2007 (5:09 pm)
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Replying to: bruceomega (Sep 19, 2007 6:47 am)

her 530i is exceptionally smooth without being isolated. She also liked the smaller dimensions of the 3er for her needs.
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Re: I think I'm going for the 5 [shipo] by richardga73
Sep 22, 2007 (4:10 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Sep 18, 2007 11:00 am)

Shipo, are you saying that the retuned sports recalibration indicates that the 2007 spts ride differently than the 2008's? Have they softened or hardened the ride of the sprts? And do you think that the increased weight of the 5 would make the sprt 5 ride better than the sprt 3?
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Re: I think I'm going for the 5 [richardga73] by shipo
Sep 22, 2007 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: richardga73 (Sep 22, 2007 4:10 am)

Nope, never intended to imply any of the above. To be quite honest, I simply don't know. Sorry.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: I think I'm going for the 5 [shipo] by richardga73
Sep 22, 2007 (7:34 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Sep 22, 2007 7:17 am)

That's ok good buddy I dont know either or I wouldnt have asked it. I dont know about you but the way prices are getting (I am driving cars listing 3 times the price of my parents house built in the 50's) you never can ask enough questions about these damn things. Unfortunately the only proper way to find out about these cars is rent one for a week because its a little foggy a week later after youve driven a test ride for only 20 minutes with a salesman bending your ear.
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Question for Shipo by topspin628
Sep 23, 2007 (2:37 pm)
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So I am smitten with the 550i and if I go with it over the 535 then I will have to go with a winter tire and wheel package. I did have very good success with my 330i sport in the white stuff with good winter tires. Do you know if the clearance with the aero package is similar to the 01 3 series sport I had in 01?
I am a bit concerned that if it was too low than I wouldn't be able to get through a few inches of snow. (if you don't know, then no one would:).
Do you think the 550 would handle the bad weather in a similar way as the 330i did?
(It was like a little tank).
I am still trying to decide between the 550, 535i and 535xi. I found that the 550 felt heavier but in a good way, like it was a more substantial car. The 535i was light and more toss able but it didn't feel as "buttoned up" if that makes sense. It felt very much like my old 3. The 550 felt like a more civilized M car to me and I really liked the engine note. And the aero kit that gives it a special flair.
The "sensible" choice would be the xi. No tire change needed and very good handling in the wet but to me it drove very similar to my wife's X5. Not that that's bad at all but it felt a bit "heavy". I also may want the goodies that are only available on the non xi cars: sport auto trans (I hear it's great, any feedback?), ARS, and sport suspension.
Oh, and do you know anything about an "anthracite head liner". I see it referenced in some bimmer sites but I can't find it in the brochure.
Thanks!

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