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#11994 of 12737 Re: 5-sport [sdg380]
Aug 13, 2007 (6:11 am)
"Of course, optimum sporting performance calls for performance tires, but outside of regions that are perpetually sunny, you've then got to contend with bi-annual wheels swaps--no big deal to many, but too much of a nuisance to me. (Any comments from somebody with sports suspension and all-season tires?)"
Depending upon where my next contract is, I'll be looking for an E39 528i or 530i with both a stick and SP. I live in New Hampshire and will most likely shoe the factory wheels with All-Season tires in the OEM size (235/45 R17) and then buy a set of winter wheels and tires for the snowy months.
"Finally, it's not like the sports package is free, and I doubt you see too much of that money back on the far end of the deal--seems to me that it could even hurt trade-in value, like a stick shift, since it may limit the potential resale customer base (any comments from those in the know?)"
Interesting comment. When I turned my 2002 530i SP 5-Speed in at lease end, the dealership (who doesn't like taking back lease cars they didn't originally sell) couldn't wait to get their hands on my car. Why? Because it was a nicely optioned SP (with PP, Premium Audio and Xenon) car with a STICK. The leasing manager said, "Do you have any idea how hard it is to come by a 530i SP with a stick? Usually the 5ers with a stick are strippo 525is (plural, not "is"). Oh yeah, we'll be keeping this one (as opposed to sending it back to BMW-FS to dispose of."
FWIW, I leased it through the ED program for forty two and change in 2002 and after I turned it in in 2005 they CPOed it in two days and put it on the lot for $36,999. They got $36,000 even for it, fully two thousand MORE than they were asking for an otherwise identical 530iA SP.
FWIW #2, I've been keeping an eye on the used car market for a year or so now and 528i and 530i SP cars with three pedals under the dash almost always carry a premium asking price over similarly speced cars with an Automatic transmission.
#11995 of 12737 Re: 5-sport [sdg380]
Aug 13, 2007 (7:36 am)
I guess I am at the extreme end of the spectrum (and I'm not that old... I think )
I now have 125K on the clock of my E39 540I - Six speed manual, M sport package, complete with the 18 inch, low profile (35/40 aspect ratio) dedicated summer tires. I love the way the thing rides and I absolutely ADORE the way it handles. My only compromise is that I run tire pressures a bit lower than the door jamb recommends.
This car is most definitely my daily driver, all year round. I will say that I do notice a softer feel in the winter, when I have the 16 inch, 55 series rubber on the car, however I've rarely found the ride harsh or punishing, and yes, I spend a lot of time in Manhattan, complete with potholes. Is it Lexus smooth? Hell, no... but then, I never wanted Lexus.
#11996 of 12737 Re: Bruce, Car Wash Issue with xDrive Resolved? [bruceomega]
Aug 13, 2007 (12:30 pm)
Thank you for your update! I am very glad that you found a car wash that works
My 528xi arrived last Wednesday (8/8/07), and I'll be visiting a car wash one of these days too
Do you have Comfort Access? I do, and if I remember correctly, I am supposed to leave the key in the ignition lock in order for the car to stay in neutral and not go into park after a certain period of time.
#11997 of 12737 Re: 5-sport [shipo]
Aug 13, 2007 (12:52 pm)
"FWIW #2, I've been keeping an eye on the used car market for a year or so now and 528i and 530i SP cars with three pedals under the dash almost always carry a premium asking price over similarly speced cars with an Automatic transmission."
WOO-HOO! I was expecting to get hammered on a trade of my low mileage, non-sport '02 530, with stick (PP, xenon, CWP)--Shipo, you have given me hope!
And NY540i6, I'm sure your 540 is a real rock 'n roller, as I said, different strokes, I just don't feel like getting involved with wheel swaps, but guess that's just l-a-z-y--obviously a lack of commitment, ha!
Aug 14, 2007 (3:41 am)
sdg380: great review! I agree with you that it seems like the repaving of roads and "patches" (which eventually sink at least an inch) due to new subdivisions trying to hook up their sewer systems give you a jolt even with a normal suspension. On Road Atlanta I drove a Porsche, Ferrari, and a 3sport at various times over the years when the Sports Car Club of America would rent it out for various weekends so the "hackers" like me could put it out there for a few hours. That's what I think the sports suspension is good for but for my likes I will try the normal suspension on lease until I eventually get tired of it like I do all cars! What I want to know is how in the world the 535 is just as fast as the 550? The 550 has 20% more hp and torque with the same auto transmission. I know the 550 doesnt have 20% more weight. Any one out there have any ideas? Is the 300hp-300torque in the 535 underated?
#11999 of 12737 Re: 5-sport [sdg380]
Aug 14, 2007 (8:52 am)
Sdg, I don't claim to be rational about the thing - lol.
I remember when I bought it... my dealer was busy trying to talk me OUT of the 540. I knew I did not want a 525, could not justify (or afford) an M5, had seen all the reviews touting the E39 530 as "the best car in the world," but really lusted after the 540i. She had me just about convinced.... higher insurance cost, fuel economy, better steering on the 530, better weight balance. I tested a 530 and liked it. We were on our way in to her office to complete the paperwork, and they had a 540 sitting at the front of the showroom... last thing I remember saying was "OK, I'm getting the 530, but can I drive that thing, just once?" Rest is history. Got out of the car a grinning idiot.
As for wheel swaps, for me that has nothing to do with the car - I've never used all-season tires, on any vehicle, except when I was very young, and could not afford a single new tire, much less four lol. Dedicated snows have always made sense to me. I remember when I used to do tire swaps - those were a pain. Wheel swaps are a breeze, comparatively, but then, I no longer change my own oil - Hmmmn, maybe I AM older!
#12000 of 12737 Re: Bruce, Car Wash Issue with xDrive Resolved? [kcx]
Aug 14, 2007 (9:01 am)
Congratulations on the new car.
I do not have comfort access, but at the car wash I use you leave the key in the ignition. After vacuuming the interior, they drive it in to the starting point, then drive it out at the end to a work area where they finish up by hand.
#12001 of 12737 Re: 5-sport [ny540i6]
Aug 14, 2007 (12:56 pm)
NY, that's a good story, I'm sure it's not the first time someone "just trying" the next model up did the trick. Hey, you like it, and life is short, what the heck.
You touched on a couple reasons I chose a 530, rack and pinion steering v. recirculating ball, less weight (under 3500#), a little better weight distribution, I like I-6's (so smooth), and I wanted a stick, but not the sport package, which would not have been possible with the 540. But don't you know I've lusted after a V-8! (As it is, I stopped commuting by car shortly after I got it, so now is just sits in the garage a lot depreciating.)
Since the miles are low, and it really is a pleasure to drive, I'll hang on until the model change in couple of years, and will then see which engines are offered--that's why other's comments on the new 535 v. the 550 are interesting.
And if somebody else changes the oil for you, well, that's not "old", that's successful!
Aug 14, 2007 (1:28 pm)
Is there any reason to go with the 550 over the 535? I do like the M aero package on the 550 but was told that I could add it to the 535 if I wanted. I don't like to make winter tire swaps if I don't have to so the all seasons on the all wheel drive probably make more sense but I have never had a problem with all season tires on a traction and stability control equipped car.
I would most likely load up the 535 with options so the price difference may not be that significant. Any reason to step up a bit further to the 550?
Did you recent 535 buyers consider the 550 and if so what turned the tide for you?
#12003 of 12737 Re: 535 vs 550 [topspin628]
Aug 14, 2007 (2:01 pm)
Did you recent 535 buyers consider the 550 and if so what turned the tide for you?
Believe it or not, gas mileage was a major factor for me getting the 535.