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Re: 535i [richardga73] by kamdog
Jul 19, 2007 (12:45 pm)
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Replying to: richardga73 (Jun 27, 2007 6:31 pm)

You do not need to get the sport in the 5 to get the seats. You can separately order the comfort seats.
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Re: Comment on i-drive [bruceomega] by richardga73
Jul 21, 2007 (1:24 pm)
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Replying to: bruceomega (Jul 04, 2007 9:48 am)

So bruceomega, we havent heard from you for 2 weeks and you have been driving your 535 all this time giving you plenty of time to get used to the car. How is it? How is the ride? Are you glad you got the normal vs sport version or just the opposite? How are the multicontoured seats? Do they have adequate bolstering when you make a sharp fast turn and do they hold you in the seats without sliding over and how is the all important lumbar support? Does the regular suspension roll over in turns or is it sporty enough? How about the noise? Wind? Tlre? I guess you have the run flats which supposedly roar a little. This is summer and I guess you have had a chance to put it through its paces. Thanks
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Re: Comment on i-drive [richardga73] by bruceomega
Jul 23, 2007 (6:16 am)
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Replying to: richardga73 (Jul 21, 2007 1:24 pm)

richardga73,
 
I may have mentioned that I traded in an '06 330Xi for the 535Xi. The catalyst for doing that was the occasional ride harshness in the 330Xi, with RFTs, over larger road irregularities. I like firm, but not harsh. That wasn't the only reason I traded, but it got me started on looking for another car. The 535Xi is much smoother riding and doesn't suffer the periodic "hard hits" of the 330Xi, so I am very happy about that.
 
What I like about the 535Xi is: smoothness and quietness; handling; great combination of ride and handling; power; responsiveness of the engine and transmission (I don't feel the need to use SD like I did in the 330Xi); roomier all around; the multi-contour seats; a rear seat usable by adults even when the driver's seat is back far enough for my long legs; higher seating position; and easier ingress and egress. So far, I still like iDrive, especially for the audio system. I like the colors and every option I picked- space gray, gray leather interior, sport package, premium package, cold weather package, folding rear seats, heated rear seats, Logic7 premium audio, Sirius, and HD radio.
 
The only option I wasn't sure of was the 18" wheels and tires. I like the looks of the wheels, but did not like the idea of what lower profile RFTs might do to the ride quality. I also did not want to drive in the winter with summer performance tires, so I felt I would have to either change the summer performance tires to all seasons, or buy a second set of wheels and tires for the winter. Given all this, I decided against the 18" wheel option.
 
I'm still adapting to the car being larger than the 3 series in terms of around town maneuvering and parking. On the open road, the 535Xi is very stable and secure feeling. The steering is different, it has a heavier feel than the 330Xi I traded and a heavier feel than my wife's '06 X3. I'm starting to adjust to the steering, but was wondering at first if it was an issue.
 
We took our first road trip this past weekend, about 250 miles each way. Just for grins, I ran a test to check highway gas mileage. After I got up to speed on Interstate I-81 in the Shenandoah Valley, I reset the avg mph and avg mpg on the car’s computer, and tried to drive at a constant 75 mph while not being heavy-footed with the gas.
 
At the end of a 90 mile stretch on the first day, the display read an avg mph of 73.4, and an avg mpg of 27.6. On the second day, at the end of a 40 mile stretch, I averaged 73.8 mph and 30.1 mpg.
 
I drove on some back roads this past weekend, including a short stint on the Blue Ridge Parkway, and the car was responsive and stable. But I haven't pushed the handling, or adjusted the side bolsters in the seats enough to comment on the other things you asked.
 
Thanks
Bruce
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Re: Comment on i-drive [bruceomega] by richardga73
Jul 23, 2007 (5:56 pm)
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Replying to: bruceomega (Jul 23, 2007 6:16 am)

Sounds like a winner! However, I may have misunderstood you when you ordered the car. I thought you were leaning toward the non-sport package in the 5 due to the harsh ride you and I both experienced in the 3 sport. And if I understand you now you have the 5 sport? And if you do does the increased weight(inertia) of the 5 sport negate the tossing around and harshness of the 3 sport(lighter weight)? In other words is the 5 sport now smoother than the 3 sport was?
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Re: Comment on i-drive [richardga73] by shipo
Jul 23, 2007 (6:28 pm)
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Replying to: richardga73 (Jul 23, 2007 5:56 pm)

"And if you do does the increased weight(inertia) of the 5 sport negate the tossing around and harshness of the 3 sport(lighter weight)?"
 
What extra weight are you talking about? As near as I can tell, like for like, the E60 weighs about 66 pounds more than a comparably equipped E90.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Comment on i-drive [richardga73] by wolfer2
Jul 23, 2007 (7:11 pm)
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Replying to: richardga73 (Jul 23, 2007 5:56 pm)

I also recently ordered a 535xi. My understanding is that the "sports package" (which I went without) with the xi does not include the sports suspension, roll stabilization, or the 18 inch wheels w/ RFT. 18 inch wheel are available as a separate option, but I think Bruceomega went without those. So handling should not be much different than the non-sports package.
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Re: Comment on i-drive [shipo] by richardga73
Jul 24, 2007 (3:05 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Jul 23, 2007 6:28 pm)

Either, shipo, I hope you are mistaken or the 3 has been on a fat diet. It was my understanding that the tests I have read about on the 5 the weight is around 4000 lbs the 3 usually tests around 3500-3600 which for the size of the car is still too heavy now and which is what the 5 used to weigh. Anyway, what I was getting at was the "sport" in the 5 more luxurious or did it feel like the 3 sport only being a bigger car.
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Re: Comment on i-drive [richardga73] by shipo
Jul 24, 2007 (5:16 am)
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Replying to: richardga73 (Jul 24, 2007 3:05 am)

Weights:
 
Model --- Manual --- Automatic - / - Manual --- Automatic
328i/xi --- 3,340 -------- 3,406 ----- / -- 3,582 ------- 3,627
335i/xi --- 3,593 -------- 3,605 ----- / -- 3,814 ------- 3,825
528i/xi --- 3,505 -------- 3,571 ----- / -- 3,770 ------- 3,814
535i/xi --- 3,660 -------- 3,703 ----- / ---- N/A -------- 3,946
 
Okay, so I'm mistaken, my bad. I happened to only look at the 335i vs. the 535i yesterday and assumed the differences would hold across the various cars. Like I said, my bad. That said, the average weight difference between like for like 3-Series and 5-Series cars (for the 7 that I have direct weight comparisons that is) 141.57 pounds.
 
"...I hope you are mistaken or the 3 has been on a fat diet."
 
Actually it's the other way around. The 5-Series has been on an aluminum diet as pretty much all of the body forward of the firewall is made of non ferrous metal.
 
Regarding your question of "feel", I too went from a 3-Series to a 5-Series (albeit E46 to E39), and if anything, my 5-Series felt sportier AND more luxurious at the same time. Go figure.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Comment on i-drive [richardga73] by bruceomega
Jul 24, 2007 (7:22 am)
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Replying to: richardga73 (Jul 23, 2007 5:56 pm)

richardga73,
 
As wolfer2 said, the sport package on the 535Xi does not change the suspension or wheels and tires. It includes the 20 way multi-contour seats, different steering wheel, and shadowline trim. And I did not order the optional 18" wheels and tires.
 
The same situation existed with my '06 330Xi. I got the sport package with that, but there was no change in suspension or wheel / tire size. There was a difference in wheel design, but not size, with the sport package.
 
Yes, my 535Xi is definitely smoother and less harsh riding than my '06 330Xi. To me, they both have great handling, but I've never pushed them to the limit. Also, I have no experience with the RWD versions, so cannot comment on how the AWD compares.
 
Thanks
Bruce
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Re: Comment on i-drive [shipo] by designman
Jul 24, 2007 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Jul 24, 2007 5:16 am)

Regarding your question of "feel", I too went from a 3-Series to a 5-Series (albeit E46 to E39), and if anything, my 5-Series felt sportier AND more luxurious at the same time. Go figure.
 
I think the 5 has had less power assist in the steering which adds to the feel of the road. Also on the E60, the variable assist drops down considerably at highway speeds. On highway turns and jug handles at speed you really have to tug on the wheel with E60. I like that even though I would prefer it without the variable assist.

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