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#11038 of 12737 Reality BMW Depreciation Numbers
Dec 18, 2005 (6:01 pm)
I was bored today, so I went online and did a search via cars.com, autotrader.com and ebay.com. I wanted see how BMW's hold their value through the years. I did a search for a 2001 (five year old) 530 with automatic, sport, and premium package and compared it against a 2003 (three year old) 530 with automatic, sport, and premium package. I took a large sample base of the listed prices of cars from Dealers and Private Parties. The Dealers included both BMW Dealers and Non BMW Dealers.(I could break them down into each respective sub group if anyone wants.) Here are the numbers:
Model year 2001 (five years old) 530i Model year 2003 (three years old) 530i
Average asking selling price: $24,081 Average asking selling price: $37,081
Average number of miles: 64,604 Average number of miles: 39504
Expected value 5 year old 530 (39% X miles driven) Expected value of 3 year old 530 (93% x miles driven)
Does anyone know the MSRP of a 2001 530 with Automatic, Sport and Premium Package? And, the MSRP of a 2003 530 with Automatic, Sport, Premium Package? It would be interesting to see the percentage differential from the Original MSRP to the current asking prices for both the 2001 and 2003 530.
What does all this mean? Heck, I don't know. But, it was fun! Well, as I see it, the sweet sport for selling a 530 is at the 3 year mark. And, in terms of buying new or used. If you can come up with the money for a new car. A new 2006 530 will be a better value than a used 04 530. Since at the end of three years, your 2006 will be worth $13,000 more than the used 04, which is about a wash financially speaking. In other words, a used 2004 will be about $13,000 less than a new 2006, but at the end of three years, the 2006 is worth $13,000 more. Buying Used makes perfect sense if you want to save upfront cash or you are not in a position to purchase a car that is $13000 more. Or, if you don't mind a five year old car with a little mileage (nice deal money wise). But, if those three scenarios are not the case, BUY NEW!
In terms of leasing, I am not as versed as others on this Forum. I guess it makes leasing a new car a good deal as well?
#11039 of 12737 Re: Is it just Me? Or is anyone else impressed with 06 525? [530ir1150r]
Dec 18, 2005 (7:38 pm)
The conversation is a distraction. Hands free or hand held -- once the process has reached the point of connection is "about the same."
But -- here are some key differences: Completely hand and eyes free initiation and "navigation" of the calling process does substantially change the entire circumstances.
At 60MPH you are travelling at 88 feet PER SECOND. A "glance" at the phone to dial 3, 7 or 10 numbers (possibly 11)takes how many seconds?
I have attempted to dial my phone without looking -- it is possible, by feel. It is unlikely that many of us will do this.
Further, if you are holding the phone in one hand, how many hands could you have on the wheel? Could you use the turn signal, the wipers the horn, flash the headlights, etc, etc, etc?
With th voice module, the Audi or BMW cradle and a fully integrated phone that you have taken the time to load with a phonebook and taken the time to load the voice tags, you can have both hands free and eyes free use of the phone (but you cannot punch in the codes for passwords and other phone mail navigation inputs.)
I have tried all methods: voice, phone book and keypunching.
Voice requires NO eyes OFF the road and you have both hands completely available for the steering wheel and other controls.
The phone book is hands free but NOT eyes free.
The keypunching method is an invitation for a fender bender at the very least.
If it were put on a ballot, I would vote for either voice command or to disallow phone use in a car. You choose.
I generally vote for the least gov interference. This difference reminds me of the "yelling fire in a crowded theater" argument.
I am now seeing a significant minority of drivers using a hand held phone while driving on the Interstate at speeds of at least 65 MPH.
It is no wonder there are apparently more and more "driver distraction" incidents.
Ultimately, big brother will cut us (all) off. We will have ONLY ourselves to blame.
Demand cars that permit voice control of the phone from phone book to dialing to as yet rare phone voice control of voice mail systems.
Cease using your cell / wireless phone while the car is moving if you don't have or can't get voice activation. The alternative is you will be fined and fined dearly for your distraction action.
If this turns out to be false, I apologize; if, however, it turns out to be true, saying "I told you so" will be a hollow victory.
I like the freedom of using my phone while driving -- I would never use one without both hand and eyes free capability.
signed -- Screaming Voice in the Wilderness.
#11040 of 12737 Re: Is it just Me? Or is anyone else impressed with 06 525? [markcincinnati]
Dec 19, 2005 (7:01 am)
I know common sense tells you that hands free should be safer, but everything I have seen on the subject says otherwise; the conversation is the distraction, not holding the phone.
#11041 of 12737 Re: Is it just Me? Or is anyone else impressed with 06 525? [530ir1150r]
Dec 19, 2005 (11:56 am)
And I agree with that statement -- but (2 things), I have never seen a study wherein the phone initiation was completely hand and eyes free (not just hands free); and, although there is NO such thing as common sense, it is difficult for me to believe that NOT looking at buttons, a small screen phone book or other HAND and EYE requirements could be anything but safer.
It is essentially illegal or practically illegal everywhere in the US to "watch TV" in the front seat for the reasons that it takes your eyes off the business of driving.
Initiating a call on a phone while driving takes one hand and two eyes for at least part of the "transaction."
There is no way that this contributes to anything other than the increased chances of glancing down at the phone pad and possibly drifting out of your lane or into a moving or static "object" or person.
I am suggesting that we are in near violent agreement. I just cannot imagine how crappy it would be to have our government disallow talking on the phone while in a car all for the lack of hand AND eyes free "command" abilities.
Either we need to de content our cars (and pigs will fly) or we need to add a hand and eyes free interface (voice controlled systems are in their infancy but even my 2005 Audi voice command is about 100 times better than it used to be and a like amount safer than trying to control a car with this many (82) buttons, dials, knobs and switches without voice control.)
If we are unwilling to part with our wireless phones while driving, at least consider the alternative of making them as safe as is possible via voice.
#11042 of 12737 It's Much Like. . .
Dec 19, 2005 (1:18 pm)
limiting the number of passengers a teen-ager can have in the car with them when their license is new -- talking is a distraction. The assumption must be that, once driving becomes automatic (or semi-so), it's okay to be somewhat distracted.
Part of the issue is that when one is involved in a conversation with another person in the vehicle, it becomes abundantly apparent to everyone present when suspension of the discussion is appropriate.
Not so much, if the other person is invisible (& vice-versa) at the other end of a phone conversation.
This from a Luddite who still doesn't own a cell phone (but pays for a couple within the family).
#11043 of 12737 Re: Is it just Me? Or is anyone else impressed with 06 525? [markcincinnati]
Dec 19, 2005 (1:37 pm)
I did not feel like we were agreeing; but I also think common sense is not very common and the chances of government becoming less intrusive in our lives on any subject is near zero.
#11044 of 12737 Re: Is it just Me? Or is anyone else impressed with 06 525? [530ir1150r]
Dec 19, 2005 (1:53 pm)
I continue to sense we are very much in agreement -- but, no pun intended, you "near zero" comment is chilling (and unfortunately I agree with that too.)
#11045 of 12737 SIRIUS RADIO
Dec 19, 2005 (3:45 pm)
I have an 06 530i and am about to get Sirius Satellite radio installed for roughly 1000.00 dollars. Has anyone else thought about this or thought about geting an external mount in a 530i? Isn't this a bit much for the Sirius integrated radio?
It's much cheaper to do an external reciever but don't know if it will make the car look too cluttered. Also if anyone out there has done the external reciever thing, how does it connect to the radio? Is is through FM transmitter only or is there a way to get an auxillary jack to connect to the back of the radio?
Anyone's input is greatly apprecited...Happy Holidays!
#11046 of 12737 Re: SIRIUS RADIO [jo2]
Dec 19, 2005 (4:17 pm)
Woa! That sounds high to me. In all honesty, I do not know the install price. But, All 06's are supposed to be Satellite Radio Ready. I can't imagine it costing $1000. It costs approximately $500 when you buy the car to get it installed, why would it cost $1000 after the fact? Sounds crazy. If that is true, I say screw it. Satellite Radio is way overrated. Just use an IPOD.
#11047 of 12737 Re: SIRIUS RADIO [bmwdoug]
Dec 19, 2005 (6:46 pm)
wait, are they all pre-wired ith Sirius? I thought it was an extra option at $595