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Mazda Millenia, Sedan
#2912 of 4030 Stay away from 96's
Feb 04, 2004 (5:53 pm)
Ok, so I dove in and purchased a 1996 Millenia w/ 107k miles. LOOKS like it was almost perfect. Well took it for a Smog Test this morning and failed! Looks like due to oxygen sensors failing and also valve gaskets. Did my research and saw that MOST people who own a 95/96 have the same problem after 60k miles! FRIGGIN LEMON. Stay away from Mazda! Especially the lemon Millenias. I went back to the owner and demanded my money back, according to the law if it doesn't pass smog, the original owner must fix it or take it back.
#2913 of 4030 Sorry vectorz
Feb 05, 2004 (3:50 am)
But one probably poorly maintained (mechanically) car does not mean all of that make and model are lemons. All available information both in print and on the internet say your angry generalization is completly out of line and incorrect.
Please research the facts before blatantly condemning a product based on one bad experience.
#2914 of 4030 oxygen sensors/etc
Feb 05, 2004 (5:19 am)
Geez, with 106k, items need to be replaced. That should be expected. Oxygen sensors are like spark plugs, you replace them when they wear out. The gasket problem is minor,too. With regular scheduled maintenance, I bet there are many happy miles left in that Millenia. A friend of mine has a 95 626 V6, (same 2.5 as in the M), has 170k on it. He has done regular maintenance, oil changes every 5000 mi and the car still runs and drives great.
Feb 05, 2004 (3:50 pm)
"Please research the facts before blatantly condemning a product based on one bad experience.
You have no clue. Do a search on this millenia thread for "oxygen sensor and valve gasket" problems. You'll see plenty. Besides that, go to consumerreports.com and look up the Millenia. For the 95-97 models you'll see THE WORST ratings for 'mechanical' category. Obviously, I'm not the one who knows how to research before he speaks. Get a life.
#2916 of 4030 95 2.5L Value Cover Gaskets
Feb 05, 2004 (7:37 pm)
This not a minor issue. In 01/01 with 70K miles this cost me $330 ($82 parts and $230 labor) at a shop I trust.
#2917 of 4030 consumer reports
Feb 05, 2004 (7:43 pm)
If you actually subscribe to CU then you would know that for the '96 & '97 years there is "insufficient data" according to the 2003 annual auto issue.
Though lets face it know matter what you drive if you do not take care of it you will have problems with it. If you are going to buy a used vehicle do not expect it to run like it just rolled off the assembly line. As far as valve cover gaskets go if you have 106k on any engine I would not be surprised if they were leaking. As engines go now days a leaking valve cover gasket is minor.
At least Mazda is not like that other manufacturer from Japan that begins with a Mi that lied and cheated people until they were caught. I will still take Mazda over the rest of them for the biggest bang for the buck.
Feb 06, 2004 (5:06 am)
You obviously didn't even bother to read what I posted DIRECTLY from Consumer Reports magazines I have in my own possession. Nor have you read Carpoint or any other reliable source of information.
My life is doing just fine thank you.
Try reading the contents of "#2907 of 2918 Carpoint by fwatson", it is very informative if you have an open mind.
Feb 06, 2004 (11:49 am)
Well all I know is I got my money back. Thank goodness. I have a 99 Mitsubishi Galant with over 135,000 and I've never had an issue with it. I also bought a used Dodge Durango and now I've put 120,000 miles and it still runs perfect. So you can defend your vehicle all you want. A lemon is a lemon, and apparently it has nothing to do w/ a way someone drives. Oxygen sensors aren't a mechanical item, my friend. It's a sensor. And if you researched it, it's a COMMON problem that almost all Millenium owners of the 95-97 period have had. End of discussion. I got rid of my lemon, too bad you're stuck w/ yours.
#2920 of 4030 Re: Millemonium
Feb 06, 2004 (1:54 pm)
First of all, it seems that you do not really understand what lemon means. If you buy a car with 107K miles and it does not pass emission and safety tests, it doesn't mean that you got a lemon. Let me know if you need explanation of what lemon really means.
Second: It is possible that oil on your "Millenium" has been changed only once, and right before you bought it. Did you check for any records of maintenance of that car? Buying a car with 107K miles from unknown source is worse than putting the same amount of money in Power Ball lottery. I can tell you tons of stories when people bought BMW's, Lexus', Honda's and other highly recommended crap, not to mention Mitsubishi Gallant, and got screwed. At the same time I know people that have 170K+ miles on their Millenia's and went through nothing but oil change, timing belt and tire replacement.
Third: Most of us are stuck with our Millenia's because this is the best car we ever owned. Too bad you had no luck with yours, so now you are participating in wrong forum, because no one will agree with you here that "Millenium" is worse than Mitsubishi Gallant (I owned that junk in the past). You may switch to Dodge Durango or Mitsubishi Gallant forums and be surprised that no one had a problem with gaskets or sensors.
And finally: No matter what you buy, computer, TV, car or boat, any purchase is a lottery: Dell or eMachines, Sony or Zenith, Mercedes or Mitsubishi. You can have perfectly running Tatung computer monitor while your Lexus RX300 gives you nothing but headaches.
#2921 of 4030 vectorz
Feb 06, 2004 (2:19 pm)
Hang on just a minute - you came here on 2/3 asking if you should buy this vehicle and then you said that CR rated it poorly. Then on 2/4 you reported that you bought it and because it couldn't be smogged, it is a lemon. Okay. You say you got your money back - seems to me that makes no harm, no foul. But then you went on to say that all 95-96 Millenias (or was it all period?) are lemons.
It can never be that every single vehicle in a particular MY of any given car is a lemon. It's a shame that yours did not work out for you, but the reality is that there are lots of folks here who are very happy with their Millenias.
Attacking their vehicles - or them! - serves no purpose.
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