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#1834 of 4030 nvedrani by fwatson

Jun 12, 2002 (9:10 am)

Number one: Proving you wrong is not being rude. It is rude to come on a forum and tell lies or misinformation that is a putdown to the vehicle being discussed. It is also known as trolling.
 
Quote:""Well-I have a '98 Millenia S and I have had no problems out of this vehicle. Extremely reliable-also the S timing belt does not need to be changed at 60,000 like the non-S millenia's. The S Timing belt goes until 100K miles. This is per Maz-Max in Houston. The dealer will tell you 60,000 however What are these "supposed" problems with the S?"
 
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That is just simply WRONG. It is old information that was never correct, and still isn't.
 
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The following is a DIRECT QUOTE from the 2001 Millenia Owners Manual page 8-4, which is schedule 1. Schedule 2 on page 8-6 reads identically. If you try to say Mazda is wrong, you are really being ridiculous.
 
Engine timing belt--2.5 liter DOHC:
Inspect at 96000km (60000 miles)
Replace every 168,000km (105,000 miles)
 
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Engine timing belt--Miller Cycle Engine V6 DOHC:
Replace every 96,000km (60,000 miles)
 
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The following is from the Gates Rubber Company:
 
Timing Belt Replacement Guide from Gates
  
Avoid costly engine damage. Change your timing belt at the recommended interval.
 
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Millenia
 
1995-96 2.3L V6 (Miller Cycle) T267 60,000 Federal
105,000 California
 
1997-00 2.3L V6 (Miller Cycle) T267 105,000 California
 
1997-00 2.3L V6 (Miller Cycle) T267 60,000 Federal
 
1995-96 2.5L V6 T214 60,000 Federal
105,000 California
 
1997-00 2.5L V6 T214 105,000 California
 
1997-00 2.5L V6 T214 60,000 Federal
 
2001 2.5L V6 T214 105,000
 
The Gates chart has some editing problems, but you can get the idea from it.
 
The Millenia Owners Manual is clear and direct, and proves the P gets only an inspection at 60000mi, and a belt change at 105000 miles. While the S REQUIRES a belt CHANGE every 60000 miles.
 
Your mistake is quoting other peoples information that is WRONG instead of researching the information yourself, and getting it correct.
 
Jumping on me or anyone else, and calling us names DOES NOT MAKE YOU RIGHT!
 
One more correction. The P as delivered weighs 3358 pounds according to Mazda, who has a pretty good inside track on that information also. You missed that by 642 pounds. The S weighs 3488 pounds. The extra 130 pounds the S weighs over the P eats up a good bit of the horsepower advantage.
 

#1835 of 4030 Belts by tomekk

Jun 12, 2002 (10:37 am)

Frank,
 
so as you write "the S REQUIRES a belt CHANGE every 60000 miles" you should mention "but not in California, where the same belt in the same engine needs to be changed after 105,000 miles" 
 
1997-00 2.3L V6 (Miller Cycle) T267 105,000 California 
1997-00 2.3L V6 (Miller Cycle) T267 60,000 Federal
  And how is it avoiding costly engine damage? It's non-interference engine, the worst that can happen is that you'll be towed.
 
Tomek
 
P.S. Take it easy, you'll live longer!

#1836 of 4030 nverandi by billyperks

Jun 12, 2002 (10:50 am)

I dont care what you say but to spend $3000.00 dollar more for 40 more horses (170-210) and a 1" difference in wheeel sizes 16'' to 17''and a one second difference from 0-60 mph "HUH".
Put that $3000.00 in t-bills and a few years down the road you will be able to afford a real muscle car.

#1838 of 4030 tomekk by fwatson

Jun 12, 2002 (11:14 am)

If I took it any easier, I'd BE dead. My capitalization is for emphasis, not shouting. I really am extremely at ease. Thanks for the concern though.
 
Quote:"so as you write "the S REQUIRES a belt CHANGE every 60000 miles" you should mention "but not in California, where the same belt in the same engine needs to be changed after 105,000 miles"
 
I don't know, except from Gates, about the pre-2001 S, and they don't include the 2001 S. But unless California owners get a different manual, and/or California forces the 105000 change, the change is called for at 60000 miles. That is still true all but in California, regardless.
 
My main point though, is that the P does not require a belt change at 60000 miles Federal or California starting with the 2001 models, but the 2001 S requires a belt change at 60000 miles at least everywhere but California.
 
Oh, the thing about protecting your engine (Avoid costly engine damage. Change your timing belt at the recommended interval.) is Gate's advertising blarb from their site, not my wording.

#1839 of 4030 nvedrani by fwatson

Jun 12, 2002 (11:18 am)

Quote:"fwatson - CAN YOU SAY "NON-INTERFERENCE"????"
 
What is the point? We are talking about what is REQUIRED maintenance, not whether we want to gamble. I am very aware that both engines are non interference, so why not just let them go forever with no timing belt change?
 
As tomekk points out, the worse that will happen is you will need towed in.

#1840 of 4030 nverandi by billyperks

Jun 12, 2002 (11:50 am)

Take it easy kid- If you had enough pennies saved you would be driving a beamer or benz, so dont go playing big shot on this board.Just keep on taking advantage of the DISCOUNTS Mazda has offer and remember we are all family.

#1841 of 4030 S vs P in performance - My take by rbrubaker

Jun 12, 2002 (12:12 pm)

I own a 1999 "S", and rented a new "P" over the Xmas holiday for a week. The "P" is a desent performer for normal everyday driving. I climbs, cruises, and passes well. The "S" is no steller performer, but it kicks but verses the "P" and well worth the extra money. Also, you get traction control with the "S" (It wasn't on the rental).
 
And lets stay away from the age cracks, please. I'm 42, and you guys are making me feel old.
 
Bob

#1843 of 4030 billy boy by nvedrani

Jun 12, 2002 (12:37 pm)

well lemme see here, if I wanted a Beamer or Benz I could have gotten one...but I live in downtown Boston, and didn't feel the need to wreck a $50k car nor did I want to drive something that may insult my parents (conservative car types) as I'm only 24. I do very well in my profession and actually just put a "downpayment reserve" at a dealership on my next vehicle - the RX-8. I'm not playing "big shot" by any means, but believe me when I say I can afford what I want. When I was 22 and just graduated from college I wanted the 2000 Millenium Edition. Now my tastes are changing and I going for sport. Also, it seems a few "P" drivers on here agree with the Sluggish characteristics of it. Happy driving.

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