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#1320 of 4030 Madza Millenia -- response to all:
Feb 14, 2002 (7:31 pm)
Hey guys, do not hate me because I have a different opinion on MM. The last time I checked this is still a free country where people can express their views. I have yet to personally attack any member on this board so why the hot blood????? I said many times that MM is a pretty car and for what it costs it is an OK buy. Now to answer all those who bother posting regarding my last message:
1. To fwatson: I do not understand why you keep on insistng that I trash MM. I only state facts - All I have said is true. Engine, design, tranny, interior, are from 1995, no matter how you slice it. Is this trashy??? Well a fact is a fact. I am only trying to inform potential buyers about the negative aspects of MM, knowing that the rest of you will surely fill in the other side that is the posite things of this car. As for BMW, Lexus, and Infinity, well one thing is for sure those three do not wait 7 years (1995 - 2002) to update their cars, ooops sorry as a matter of fact MM has not been seriously updated and will ot be at all. Be that as it may, none of those companies would try to sell a car tht is 7 years old in design with a straight face. So in that department there is nothing I could throw their way in terms of criticism. Moreover, I think it is unfair for BMW, Lexus and Infinity to be mentioned in the same post with MM. Not the same class by a long long shot. After all I have yet to see any owner of the above three brands getting super excited by having their car confused with Mazda Millenia. The opposite however, has happened according to posts on this board (by Tomekk if I am not mistaken) and as I said before If you really want people to think that you drive a Lexus then buy one. Getting all hot because some fellow confused you 22K MM for Lexus is ridiculus and just so sad.
As for me spilling nonsense please be specific what nonsense? What parts of my numerous posting do you consider as such? I would be happy to show you the light.
2. To milleniaman1: You accuse me of being jelous? Of what a 22K car, pleassssssee get a grip man. If you were driving somethign exciting like a Viper, Acura NSX, Porshe, Lexus (any), yes I probably would be a little jelous and would envy you that you are driving somethign that makes my pulse go up. As I said Millenia is a nice car but it is nothing extraordinary. Sorry to bring you down like that but I recently saw an ad for brand new 2001 MM-S for 22.5 hardly a great amount of $$$$$$$ specially here in New York.
3. To Speedracer3: Yes I would like to have a Maxima and it is true that it will be changed for 2003, only three years after the introduction of the current model (Mazda M - 7 years and still counting). I also never said that Maxima was a perfect car, it has its shortcomings and I am aware of them. If you wish you can point them to me and trust me I will not call you names, get peronal, post your address on this board, insult you, or menton your m.....hood (all of it has happened to me on this board because of my postings). It is only cars and I can accept negative commnets on Maxima any day as a matter of fact I welcome it.
4. To csuftitus: You call me narrow minded, and you have the right to your opinion, but it would be nicer to hear a more specific dare I say more sofisticated response from someone who call others narrow minded.I await your response.
I do not post here to upset you people. I do it so that potential buyers know both negatie and positive aspects of Mazda Millenia and I do not work for any car company. I would give you my profession but I am a bit weary of that. You never know.
Ciao Saxon II
#1321 of 4030 1280 Madza Millenia -- response to all: by saxonii
Feb 15, 2002 (5:53 am)
"To fwatson: I do not understand why you keep on insistng that I trash MM. I only state facts"
"I do not post here to upset you people. I do it so that potential buyers know both negatie and positive aspects of Mazda Millenia and I do not work for any car company. I would give you my profession but I am a bit weary of that. You never know.
Ciao Saxon II"
You are the perfect example of a troll. Your only purpose is to argue and stir up negative feelings. As to debating point to point with you concerning your supposed truth and knowledge, that would be an endless process. Because by their very nature, a troll will always attempt to have the last word to prove his self proclaimed superiority. This comes through in your arrogant attitude of showing us lesser mortals the "negatie and positive aspects" of our choice.
As a matter of fact, all the cars available today are based on the same mechanicals that are decades and even centuries old, varying only in how they are machined and assembled to be the particular vehicle they are. The Millenia is a highly sophisticated example of how these pieces are assembled. It can easily compare in every way with the exception of that (to some people) almighty horsepower, to any vehicle on the road today. And the power of even the P is more than sufficient for all normal conditions. As has been stated here and elsewhere, much of the engineering of the Millenia is still above it's so called competitors. Check the all independent, multilink suspension of the wonderful new G35 (no struts) that they are so proud of. Now check the suspension of the Millenia. Oops, now who is playing follow the leader?
That is as far as I am going to carry this debate, as I know your only intent is to try to disprove anything any of us say, and there can be no end to that kind of argument. That is not what this forum is about, and we do not need a self appointed savior to show us how terrible our choice was in selecting a Millenia. As I said before, you are wasting both our time and yours with your self proclaimed "facts".
Sorry Admin, I will drop this silly argument, and maybe saxon will manage to find something productive to do with his time.
Feb 15, 2002 (5:58 am)
I should not be responding to you but in any event here is the GOD living truth.I finally figured it out "YOU WANT THE MILLENIA BUT YOU JUST SIMPLY CAN'T AFFORD IT".
Folks that is the bottom line, but wait- We can all get together and start a fund call the "SAXON MILLENIA FUND", get enough money for the car and donate it to him so he can shut the f..k up.
Feb 15, 2002 (6:02 am)
I can tell you the shortcomings of a Maxima. I have one (2000 Maxima SE)...and I also have a Millenia, so can tell you my dislikes about it too. I have ownership experience. Maxima and Millenia are both great cars, but they are for totally different people.
2) Interior-materials are not the best.
3) Ride can be rough (SE)
1) Auto tranny
2) Crammed interior
3)Steering is overboosted
Feb 15, 2002 (7:32 am)
I haven't owned a Maxima. But back in August when I was test driving and comparing several cars, I did test drive 2001 Max SE, GXE and GLE. I was sure I wanted a Maxima from all I had read about it. If the sales manager had come down another $500, I would have ended up with a Maxima GLE. In my comparison, I found the Maxima to ride very hard, somewhat jerky. And there was far more noise intrusion from the tires than I would have expected. I liked the interior, except the clock looked out of place, and my wife's first reaction to the hardness of the driver seat in the SE was of astonishment. Otherwise, except for some styling quirks, I liked it and made a bid.
To answer your "cons" on the Millenia. At first my transmission seemed to shift strangely. But now, with close to 4600 miles on the odometer, it is completely smooth. I am not sure of the reason for that, unless it electronically reprogrammed itself. As for the interior being cramped, it feels more open and airy to me from a driving position, than the other cars I tested. My only complaint there is the width of the opening between the brake pedal, and the console. I do not have especially wide feet, but when wearing my canvas walking shoes, the transition from brake to gas seems a little narrow. The back seat has less foot and leg room than my Olds 88, and for more than two passengers back there, it would be cramped. But the design of the seats, and fold down rear seat console make it appear to be designed for two from the beginning, with a third person in a pinch. Mostly I put a blanket back there to protect the leather, and it serves fine for my dog to travel with us. My kids are adults and gone from home now.
The steering seems just right to me, but I have been acustomed to large American sedans, and they have highly boosted steering. Compared to Japanese and German cars it probably has a lighter feel, but compared to the American cars I have owned, it drives and handles much better. A lot of people are comparing the Millenia to higher powered cars and rejecting it on that basis. I find it more a highway cruiser than a hot rod, but very adequately powered under all driving conditions.
You are right, they are very different cars, aimed at different types of people. The Millenia gives me the feeling of driving an elegant car, where the Maxima felt more common to me. You can see from all this that I am more the Millenia type than Maxima. But I would certainly consider the Max a very nice car, and for those who either need, or think they need more power, it would be an excellent choice.
They also both have excellent reliability, so that was a moot point. I will keep the car until it is worn out, so depreciation is of no importance to me. And at more than $3000 less than the best cash deal I could get on the GLE, choosing it over the others was a no brainer.
Feb 15, 2002 (8:17 am)
Saxonni...I would love to know where the $22.5K Millenia S you talk about is at...
I personally do not find the Millenia to be cramped...
I'll admit...I never felt like the base engine had quite enough power...but that is why I traded in my 99 Base for the S. I have let a lot of my friends drive the car...they all love driving it...sometimes when I've had a few too many drinks...the sober ones fight over who will get to drive it.
#1326 of 4030 saxonii and Maximas
Feb 15, 2002 (9:35 am)
Take yourself to the Maxima board where people actually might care about what you have to say. It's quite obvious NO ONE here does.
Feb 15, 2002 (9:59 am)
When you put a Maxima and a MM side to side, like I do in my garage everyday. You notice that the MM is a longer,narrow and short. While the Maxima is not quite as long but it is much wider and taller. The wider wheel base and taller roof in the Maxima makes for a lot of interior room. After I drive my Maxima and get into my wife's MM it feels crammed in there. That's because it is! compared to my car.
Feb 15, 2002 (10:28 am)
I agree about the interior, but the funny thing is that I kind like it. It is not as spacious as many but it fits well.
Feb 15, 2002 (11:39 am)
and trying to get in there to buckle two kids into car seats is some feat. Because of the low roofline I have to literally get inside the car to buckle my kids in. Getting the car seats into the Maxima is much easier. But then again...with the MM you give up some practicality for some great styling.