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#1292 of 5569 About that Sunfire...
Jul 05, 2001 (10:15 am)
I have a 1997 Cavalier, I am now driving my mother-in-laws ex. 1987 Chevy Nova waiting for Elantra GT availability to be a bit better. Frankly I find the 1987 Nova a more pleasant ride than the Cavalier. Toyota engineering was far ahead of the pack in the late 80's. I recently drove an Elantra GLS back to back with a Corolla and found the Elantra to be the more pleasant ride. Frankly, I feel that Hyundai has come a long way quite rapidly. Toyota has gotten quite conservative over the last 15 years and frankly the new Corolla is probably not as nice as the 1993/97 Corolla/Prizm.
As for the Cavalier, mine has been quite reliable, but it's still a platform that is going on twenty years old. After sitting in the Nova you realize that the seating in the Cavalier isn't that comfortable and the visibility is quite poor, that's the way they put the thing together in the early 80's. The 1995 redesign helped, but you can only go so far with such an old platform.
Having said that, I think buying a Cavalier or Sunfire is a bit like comparing a dollar special fast food burger with something from Fuddruckers. You may not get the quality but you do get the full complement of fat and gristle for a low price. If you like the Cav/Sunfire platform you're the one that's got to live with it. Frankly, given the low prices and nice GM card rebate that I got in 1997 I can't say that I'm displeased. It's a whole lot less pleasant, modern ride than an Elantra, however. This is one of the reasons why Pontiac dealers are dumping the whole Sunfire franchise and Chevy dealers are begging for the new Opel platform in '04.
If you do get a Sunbird, my advice would be to opt for the larger 2.4 liter engine. My 2.2 liter engine has been reliable (no head gasket problems in 70,000 miles, I'm keeping my fingers crossed) but certainly non-inspiring.
#1293 of 5569 Lillacmoon-- $300 OVER invoice?????.
Jul 05, 2001 (10:25 am)
Just noticed that line in your post. That's not good at all for such an old car. I paid $100 over in 1997 when Cav/Sunfires were a lot more acceptable then they are now. That was accepted without any dickering at all. With my GM card I got 1.9% plus almost $5K off list. Even with all the doodads thrown in I would think you could get any Chevy/Pontiac dealer way into the holdback zone. This is a car that dealers are desparate to move. As the brand is phased out in the next year or so they'll become even more desparate. Don't overpay for such an old piece of crap!!!!
Jul 05, 2001 (11:53 am)
No, I am not exaggerating the price differences. Lets compare the 2000 year model Elantra, the one that I own and my friends 2000 Civic EX. My car sells for 11,799 as base price, but with options it came close to around 13,500. However, I haggled and got the car for 10,900. My friend wasn't able to haggle the salesman and he paid 17,000 after taxes. Mine came to 11,800 after taxes. That is a 5,200 difference for similar equipped cars yet the elantra is more powerful. I saw Hyundai's advertisement (not a dealer) in car and driver for 14,000 for the Elantra GT. If it is popular, it could be more at the dealership because of supply/demand.
However, its all up to to what the future owner likes. If he really likes the styling of the civic and the interior, then by all means buy it. But if its a toss up between the 2, then the elantra is the logical choice
Jul 05, 2001 (1:22 pm)
Have you done some Edmunds TMV and Carsdirect.com comparison pricing between the Sunfire and Elantra?
I did a build and compare on carsdirect.com for zip 30092.
Elantra Auto,pkg 5(to get the ABS that comes standard on the sunfire) =$13,962
Sunfire SE Sedan SE 1SB package (to get all the power and other options of the standard Elantra)=$14,166
Keep in mind that the Elantra will still have a bigger engine that gets better mileage, side airbags, and a longer warranty.
#1296 of 5569 some help here
Jul 05, 2001 (3:29 pm)
I need some advice and help. I bought a new 5 spd elantra 01 one month ago. Since the very beginning I felt that my car holds back. I mean, my elantra after reaching any given speed instead of keep going because of inertia, it starts slowing down at a steep pace which, I think, it is not normal.
It is the first time I experience this in a car. So I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestion before I bug the dealer. BTW my car is giving 24 mpg.
#1297 of 5569 To rgarbaccio
Jul 05, 2001 (5:27 pm)
Don't know where you live, but here in NE PA we have quite a few hills/mountains. Don't discount the extra hp on the Elantra. My son has a Protege and my daughter an Escort, and both have driven my Elantra and commented on how nicely the car handles the grades, without the engine working hard. All things being equal (and they usually not) as a compact the Elantra is generally more roomy, accelerates faster and is extremely well appointed for whatever selling price is being asked. Will it hold up in the long run and what will it's re-sale value be? Those are issues that are still being addressed. I know that mine feels very well made, rides well and fits me and my needs. Honda makes nice cars, but in my opinion they are overpriced for what they give you, probably because, except for Toyota, they hadn't had any serious competion until now.
#1298 of 5569 To pitin re Holding Back
Jul 05, 2001 (6:25 pm)
This doesn't sound normal. When is it doing this? When you take your foot off the gas and it's still in gear? In what gear? When you're coasting in neutral? Either way, it should not be slowing down at a "steep pace", unless you're going up a hill (or in low gear). I'd take it into the dealer for a look-see if I were you. Could be something (parking brake maybe?) dragging there.
#1299 of 5569 To Browney re: K&N filters
Jul 05, 2001 (6:34 pm)
Do you realize that the first link in your message # 1213 no longer works. This was the write up about dirt getting by the filter.
Isnt it strange that all of a sudden it is GONE?
Jul 05, 2001 (6:41 pm)
Now I am really really going nuts!!! I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR GREAT ADVICE.....I did not sent the paperwork in for my Sunfire as of yet....the car is in PA I an in NY...the 2001 sunfire was fully loaded, sunroof, monsoon system cd player, sunroof, abs breaks, day time running lights...all the works sticker $16,605 my price $12,900 that is a great deal!!(+ i can use my $1100 in GM points) but after reading the crash tests and reliability i am scared....
so i drove the elantra yesterday! it is a nice car but very sedanish for me....I am 24 and drive a Geo Storm....I like that loud engine, tight steering little sporty car....
So my parents suggested me looking at the Ford ZX2
The car comes with NOTHING!! I MEAN COME ON I HAVE TO PAY $55 FOR FLOOR MATS! THAT IS JUST INSULTING!! but the car drove great...it got better reviews then the Sunfire...but now the problem is locating one...one that has the sunroof, the cd player, abs breaks...i found one today in black that i liked (minus the CD player) but the DAMN BLACK PAINT WAS BUBBLY AND RUST SPOTS ON A BRAND NEW CAR!!! a friend of mine had their brand new Thunderbird repainted 2x's and it is still peeling!!
Please let me know what you think of the Sunfire vs. the ZX2 I can only afford to finance $13K that is it! and I need to make my move tomorrow or I lose the rebates on the ford and the GM....
Jul 05, 2001 (7:46 pm)
Have your parking brake and foot brake checked. could be grabbing or rubbing against the rotors, therefore reducing your speed slowing you down as you go. That would also lead to why your gas mileage is bad to making the car go faster while having the brakes rubbing. That solution would solve both your problems