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Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Sedan
#717 of 2813 Saturn L300?
Jul 17, 2002 (11:27 am)
I found Saturn L300 to be one of the most under-appreciated mid-size sedan models around. Agreed, it may not match the reliability of Accords/Camry. Recently, I was in the market for a mid-size sedan (owned an Accord), and did my own research and included Saturn L-series for consideration along with Accord/Camry/Altima and ultimately ended up purchasing one. Saturn's plus points:
1) Saturn is the newest divison of GM, started selling Cars only 1990 with a radically different approach; Saturn has had no connection with Detroit with it's factory is located in Tennessee and you will see no association of Saturn with GM in TV ads, etc. Basically run as a separate, independent division;
2) Saturn has had 50% repeat customers inspite of having only one Model for the years 1990-2000 (surely, a Company must be doing something right if there are 50% repeat customers and the brand name is not a Honda/Toyota);
3) Recently rated #1 in customer service (toppling Lexus) by JDPower surveys; First non-luxury brand to achieve this in 16 years!
4) Been getting #1 in JDPower surveys in Sales satisfaction surveys for the past 2 years;
5) L-series may not match Accord/Camry reliability as it's a recent model from Saturn but their other S-series has been rated good for reliability, quality, fuel mileage;
6) Sticker price is atleast $2.5K lower for a similarly equipped Camry/Accord.
7) On my test run, I found L300 handling, steering, cutting corners as nimble, comfortable as Accord/Camry.
Normally, a person looking at buying a Accord/Camry may not even consider a non-import brand. I also saw it the same way. Until, pleasantly surprised by Saturn.
As I see it, if one is **willing** to look beyond a Honda/Toyota/Nissan - Saturn is worth a look.
#718 of 2813 Accord/Camry silliness
Jul 18, 2002 (2:06 pm)
Just got a 2002 Accord EX last Saturday. It replaced a 1992 Saab 900, which was a scream to take around turns but spent WAY too much time and money in the shop.
While the Saab was in the shop we rented what turned out to be a Camry, which was just too soft in terms of driving feel. The Camry is an excellent car, for what it does, by any reasonable standard.
Let's be real: Both the Camry and the Accord are excellent cars with different takes on the same question. Drive both and buy the one you like more. Some of the endless debates seem just silly, as one side tries to convert the other. Both cars offer terrific reliability, resale, etc. I don't think either one approaches the fun to drive factor of a VW Passat, Saab 9-3, etc.
To anyone on the fence, just try both and buy the one you like more.
Jul 20, 2002 (8:29 am)
Camry styling is way to much. Toyota tried too hard to make it sportier. The back tailights look like a Flash Gordon knock-off..
#720 of 2813 Toyota's idea of sporty styling
Jul 20, 2002 (6:18 pm)
is simply to stick a spoiler on the trunk! Camry will never be a sporty car. It doesn't have the looks, power, speed, handling, or interior to do that.
Jul 20, 2002 (6:49 pm)
Because the same thing could be said about the Accord. Both are equally unsporty and bland, although the Accord coupe is the sportiest of both, IMHO.
#722 of 2813 Except for the exterior styling, Accord is sportier than Camry
Jul 21, 2002 (6:31 am)
It handles better, is peppier. Even the interior (esp the dash design)is sportier.
Jul 25, 2002 (10:40 pm)
with the new 2003 Accord coming, It will definitely be the Accord this time in terms of styling, handling, and power. (According to published articles.)
the new accord is definitely sharper and more powerful than the new camry. I just do not know if they have eliminated the Accord's irritating interior noise.
although there are times that I really wanted the Camry for its ultra soft ride. Kinda being lulled...which is -as a passenger is nice IMHO.
Jul 29, 2002 (1:44 pm)
The new Accord is ugly, not sporty. And the Camry does look sportier than the new Accord, particularly the SE. The new Accord Coupe looks like a pencil sharpener. Take an Acura CL, and file it down, and you have an Accord coupe. 17" wheels can't save that design. Honda is putting a lot of pressure on their rep to carry it's sales until this car is facelifted! Sales will be god first year, lets see after that.
Now is not the best time to pick on 'Yota's styling!
#725 of 2813 whotheman, re-read my post
Jul 29, 2002 (6:34 pm)
I said, EXCEPT for exterior styling, Accord is sportier. Actually they may be in a dead heat as far is styling goes. I can't think of a sporty-looking current Toyota model off-hand. And don't say Celica. That's not sporty, that's cartoonish.
Jul 29, 2002 (7:53 pm)
Except for the Celica, MR2 Spyder, Matrix, and Solara, Toyota doesn't have anything sporty.
Honda has the S2000, Civic Si, and the Accord Coupe. But if we count the Si, may as well throw in the Corolla S for Toyota hehe. And for 2003, we can remove all Accords from the sporty category(as far as I'm concerned). But then your idea of sportyness excludes exterior styling so lets just add everything except the Camry since its "floaty"! =)
I'll give you that the '02 coupe is more sporty (looking) than the Camry or the Solara. Of all the Hondas, I'm kind of partial to the '02 coupe.