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Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Sedan
#2501 of 2813 Toyota -vs-Honda (The Manufacturers)
Jul 12, 2006 (11:38 am)
I have an interesting story regarding Toyota that I think is worth mentioning here in relation to the Accord -vs- Camry topic. First, let me say that I bought an 06 Accord EX V6 sedan about 2 weeks ago. I traded in a 2006 Lexus ES330. That's not a typo on my part: yes, an 2006 Lexus. It was only 6 months old.
To make a very long story short, after about 1 month of ownership with the Lexus (a Toyota product) I began having a variety of problems w/ it related to the transmission and the front suspension. The first 4 months of ownership, the car was in the shop over 3 weeks, with major repairs, including a transmission replacement, left front hub assembly, and I could go on. With less than 8,000 miles on it, the car more than qualified as a new car lemon, according to my state's lemon laws and the info. the Lexus dealership provides on what constitutes a new car lemon.
In short, the Lexus dealership refused to work with me at all regarding a replacement vehicle or a buy-back and forced me into arbitration with Toyota corporation. My experience with this arbitration was a nightmare. What I learned very quickly was that Toyota communicated with me just as if I were a legal party and refused to back up their product at all. They simply said I must take this to arbitration. Keep in mind this was almost a $40,000 UDS car. Toyota refused to acknowledge anything. This lead me to do some research, wherein I discovered that Toyota corp. has a long history of not standing behind their products and forcing their consumers into endless arbitration. Only years of class-action law suits have sometimes won out over Toyota.
I could go on and on regarding the details of my treatment by Lexus and Toyota corp., but I won't torture anyone with that.
Hence, my purchase of a Honda Accord. As a side note, in the past 7 years I've owned a BMW 325i, an Infiniti G35 coupe, and Lexus ES330, and now the Honda. My experience - perhaps the only two cars worth buying for under 40,000 is the Honda and the BMW.
So, if you're thinking about buying a Toyota product I suggest a few things:
1. Research Toyota's history regarding dealing with serious manufacturing defects with their consumers. In fact, at one point the Camry (I think it was 1999 or 2000?)had an oil sludge build up that destroyed engines and Toyota didn't care that its new car consumers had new cars with blown engines.
2. If you decide to buy a Camry, keep all repair orders and NEVER accept a repair order unless ALL work done on the vehicle is properly and thoroughly documented. This is good practice no matter what, but especially if it is a Toyota product.
#2502 of 2813 Re: Toyota -vs-Honda (The Manufacturers) [mark339]
Jul 12, 2006 (2:44 pm)
Sorry about your Lexus problems. Can we infer from your statement that you traded the ES350 that the arbitration was unsuccessful?
#2503 of 2813 Toyota -vs-Honda (The Manufacturers
Jul 12, 2006 (4:49 pm)
Please read this!! I had the same experience with a Ford. HAd the car in the shop 45 times for faulty brakes in the first year. The Ford dealership finally said they were not going to do any more work on the car to "cut their loses." They mentioned Lemon Law and Arbitration, but my attorney went one step further and I sued Ford Motor Company for "Breach of Contract."
Their contract read that for payment of automobile, they in turn would deliver a safe and reliable vehicle.
Ford did not even want to go to court and we settled out of court. I gave the dealer the keys and the car back and I recieved my entire down payment back, the monthly note payments back and they released the title to me to forward to Ford.
I went and bought a 95 Eclipse, put 120,000 miles on it in 2 1/2 years with no problems!
Hope this helps you.
#2504 of 2813 Re: accord prices [njerald]
Jul 12, 2006 (6:38 pm)
I think I cut a good deal.....and just for the record I think I am pretty sharp.
#2505 of 2813 Re: Toyota -vs-Honda (The Manufacturers [evilus]
Jul 14, 2006 (2:02 pm)
You had a good lawyer. Congrats. I, too, paid a good lawyer and he wanted me to take this to civil court on similar grounds. In retrospect, perhaps we would have won. Since my job was taking me half way across the country for several months, I decided to cut my losses and simply got rid of the car.
Interesting update: I got a call from a jr. exec. at Toyota yesterday in response to a letter I sent the company regarding this entire fiasco and he wanted to know what he could do to resolve this???!!!!!!!! I asked him if he had noticed in my letter that I mentioned that I sold the car? What a corp. suckhole. He told me I was entitled to a refund for my extended warranty purchase. Guess What? I contacted the dealership, who is giving me a hard time about this! Does it ever end? I called this Toyota rep. back and said I wanted to accept his offer to do me a favor by handling this issue with the dealership and his response was, "I can't promise anything since the dealership controls that paperwork." My response was not something I can type here, but in the end, he said he'd handle this and get back to me. Yeah, right. We'll see about that.
If anyone reads this and still buys a Toyota product, then you must be 100% confident that your vehicle will not have significant manufacturing defects. If not, you will undoubtedly have the same experience I had.
#2506 of 2813 Re: My 2 cents Re: Accord vs Camry [ecmfw]
Jul 28, 2006 (3:56 pm)
O.K. we have now done a test drive of the 2007 Camery CE auto and the 2006 Accord VP auto. The Accord was in some ways a little more fun to drive, tigher steering and more of a sporty feel. As for the Camry it felt bigger sitting inside of it, and the drive was much quiete. Much less road noise and just a softer drive. So I guess it is a matter of price and of preference for a tigher drive in the Accord or a softer drive in the Camry. We did get an out the door price on the VP Accord 4 cyl. The dealer had added pinstrip, mudflaps and wheelocks already onto all of their cars on the lot. I let them know I would not pay one cent for dealer aftermarket add on's that I did not request. So after little haggeling them came back with a price of $17,495 plus tax and tags. Don't think the offer was too bad but at this time I think my husband is leaning towards the Camary. We were quoted around $200 over invoice on the 2007. We were thinking because Honda does not have a 2007 it is a little difficult to compare.
#2507 of 2813 Interior Room of Camry vs. Accord
Jul 28, 2006 (9:06 pm)
For those who have driven both cars, how does the interior room of the '07 Camry (especially on the driver's side) compare to the interior room of an Accord? I have an '04 Accord which I love, but Toyota seemed to really kick things up a notch with the '07 Camry, and I'm really tempted to take one for a test drive. One of the major reasons I bought an Accord over the Camry was the Accord felt roomier to me on the inside. Any information is appreciated. Thanks!
#2508 of 2813 Re: Interior Room of Camry vs. Accord [zhelder]
Jul 29, 2006 (12:08 pm)
Toyota did kick things up a notch with the '07 Camry but they are seeming to have those first year demons sometimes car makers experience. Check out the 2007 Camry woes forum. Problems Toyota either won't acknowledge or acknowledge and won't fix.
#2509 of 2813 Accord LX 06 or Camry LE 07
Aug 22, 2006 (4:14 am)
We are making a decision whether to buy a Accord LX 06 or Camry LE 07. We have heard that Camry 07 has problems with transmission. Any bad experience with Accord LX 06 on transmission or anyting?
Any other suggestions on buying an Accord LX 06 would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
#2510 of 2813 Re: Interior Room of Camry vs. Accord [zhelder]
Aug 22, 2006 (6:32 am)
I had the 07 Camry SE V6 as a rental for a week. It was very nice. Road nice and had lots of power and room.
When I got home I started to look for a new car. I just bought an Accord EX V6 Cpe the other week. Both cars road about the same( Sporty feel). I preferred the exterior of the Accord.
In the end I could not justify paying nearly 3K more for the 07 Camry and that "bulky" looking body. For the money the Accord was the easy choice.